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to say something about SIL's baby plans

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nomorethan2thankyou · 04/07/2012 12:18

ok bit of background. SIL (DHs sister) has 2DCs and we have two DCs. she is a single mum, absolutely lovely and loves her children more than anything. however, she does have a range of health issues which mean that me and DH help her with looking after her DCs a lot (at least one day every weekend and over school hoidays with her eldest). we are happy to do this because she really needs the help and her two DCs are lovely and get on with ours really well, but we do find it exhausting with them altogether. she does struggle with them at home, especially when her youngest DS was a little baby and did need help from the family a lot.
well at the weekend, she told us that she had decided she was going to have another baby by having one night stands until she got pregnant basically. i think she expected us to be pleased for her. we just kind of froze and didn't know what to say. she thinks she can manage it (i think she has forgotten how hard she found it when her youngest DS was newborn) because she knows she has help from family (DHs parents help her out all week with her DCs).
not only are we worried about the risks she is taking with her health and her managing on her own with 3DCs, but we are also worried about PIL managing (in their 60s with their own health issues). she is also heavilly in debt and gets by on her overdraft, so we do worry about her coping financially as well.
DH thinks she is being selfish and feels angry with her. i feel sorry for her because i know she isn't happy and desperately wants something to make her happy (i think she may be a bit depressed, which is making it harder for her to manage her current health issues, although i don't think it would be a good idea for me to say anything). PIL just desperately want her to be happy and will always help her out when she needs them no matter what, although i'm certain they don't believe it is a good idea.
the fact is although DH and I are happy to help her out with her two DCs, realistically we all know as time goes on and it becomes more difficult for her and PIL she is going to be relying on us more and more to help. we love them and are happy to take on more of an active role with them. but the fact is we couldn't manage to help in this way if she had another one, 4DCs together is hard enough for us (we only had 2DCs oursleves for a reason!). we know it is her decision, but surely if you know you are going to rely on help from others then you need to consider them as well?
i know she will carry out her plan and will get pregnant. don't know what to do. do we say anything? do we tell her that we can't manage to look after all 5 and if she does have another one she'll have to sort something else out (thats what DH thinks we should do but i know if we withdrew that support it would only make more work for PIL), do we need to get a bit tough and do as another family member has said and tell her to stop being selfish? really don't know what to do but we cannot manage with helping her with anymore children. that might make us the selfish ones but we can't change that.
sorry about the length of this post.

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nomorethan2thankyou · 04/07/2012 14:42

you're also all right concerning a family conference. MIL would not want to upset by saying she won't help though. unfortunately PIL are the sort that also don't look 5-10 years into the future, and they think that DH and I will be fine no matter what because we have each other but she needs all the support because she has no one. i don't agree with this.

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DontmindifIdo · 04/07/2012 14:49

Dropdeadfred's suggestion is good, restrict the care to when needed but make sure you speak to the PIL's tonight so they know to do the same. You do need to shock her in to sense. If she wants your help, she has to make it easier for you, not harder.

Sandalwood · 04/07/2012 14:55

What if you were to chat with the SIL about how 'the PIL are getting on now and not finding things so easy, so perhaps we should lay off them babysitting etc' (I know, but perhaps just say 'we' ).

And then start coming up with other things you're doing at the weekends yourselves - it's kinder in the long run. And actually as your DCs get bigger you'll probably find that you aren't so available at the weekends anyway.

I think it would be your best bet to let her manage on her own a while to have a rethink for herself, rather than any of you having a word about what a bad idea it is.

nomorethan2thankyou · 04/07/2012 14:56

thanks for the advice. i am off out to buy a washing machine (would you believe it, childrens felt tip pens knacker electrical items Hmm). will look carefully at all the advice when i return though.

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rockinhippy · 04/07/2012 16:01

Nomore you know lots of people do have these sorts of health problems & STILL manage to look after their own DCs & not put on relatives & friends who are kind enough to help - I do for starters, not RA, but very similar problems & we have no family nearby & as DH doesn't work nearby I mostly manage on my own & only call in back up only if I'm truly desperate.

My friend does have RA, & other problems, quite seriously so, can't walk without crutches at least - she has a DD my DDs age & a younger one - again she is very stubborn & insists that they are HER DCs & she will bring them up herself & not farm them out as your DSIL is doing - in fact she's taking my own DD for a sleep over tonight - she insists she will manage fine & not to fuss.

Basically what I'm trying to say is that I think you, your DH & your PIL are TOO kind & in doing so you are not actually helping your SIL but ENABLING her seemingly quite juvenile, manipulative & quite possibly Narcissistic behaviour.

For ALL your sakes, including your DSIL it needs to stop :(

Shullbit · 04/07/2012 16:28

I agree with rockinhippy.

I have days when I struggle to walk and in a lot of pain, needing the aid of crutches to help me. My hands are in splints all the time. I have other health problems, but they are the regular problems I face. The closest member of my family lives 100 miles away. The closest of DP's family does live 15 miles away but is in a wheelchair (who also looks after her own children). So as you can tell, I have no one to help me on those days that I can barely move/use my hands and I have 2 children. 1 school age and the other is a prewalker.

Trust me, when you have to cope, you do. If she honestly can not cope, then she should be getting a carer in when needed. You and your PIL's are NOT the only option she has and she should not be taking advantage of any of you. Do not be worried about withdrawing help, because if she is so desperate, she will get proper help.

This "plan" is ridiculous. She needs telling straight.

PeppermintCreams · 04/07/2012 17:43

I think there needs to be other agencies involved with her family. Start with the health visitor and the eldest's school. They might be able to arrange things like a homestart worker, or taxi's to take them to school. When her 18 month old is 2 he may be entitled to 10 hours free childcare from the "two year offer". She also needs to check that she is getting all the benefits she's is entitled to.

SoleSource · 04/07/2012 18:34

With the best will in the world and unwittingly the help has actually done her a dis service. Make it clear you can do no kore than what you already do. Leave it there. If she has a baby and cannot cope contact social services and be upfront about it. Easy to type I know.

Virgil · 04/07/2012 18:44

She also needs to keep in mind the fact that if she's exhausted her entitlement to sick pay that probably means it won't be long before she is dismissed for capability reasons. Then she'd have three kids and no job.

You really really need to stop enabling her by helping her. Even if it's just short term until she sees sense.

TheProvincialLady · 04/07/2012 18:54
  1. Talk to in laws and agree to withdraw babysitting unless absolutely essential
  2. Be prepared to involve social services at the first sign of neglect or risky behaviour affecting the children
nomorethan2thankyou · 04/07/2012 19:08

DH spoke to her this evening. he told her he does not want to babysit for her anymore as she can't be finding it that hard if she wants a third. he was very frank actually. told her she needed to move somewhere cheaper where there is probably more support available (she is currently in the middle of nowhere), move into a bungalow to help with the issue of stairs, take the kids out more so they can run around and she doesn't find them so tiresome in the house, stop using dating websites because she isn't usng them responsibly and to get some self-respect (he didn't put it as nicely as that, more told her the truth about what these men she meets really think of her). the situation has got him extremely mad and he is worried about our nephews (understandably). she said he doesn't know what its like because he's got the family he always wanted, he said he agreed and thats why she needs to speak to someone who can help her sort her life out better than us. expecting an angry call from PIL any moment...

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keepcalmandeatcupcakes · 04/07/2012 19:10

good luck! and leave the phone call to DH - you have done completely the right thing

SoleSource · 04/07/2012 19:12

Your DH is quite right! Job well done :)

FayeGovan · 04/07/2012 19:18

PIL will take her side and use all the excuses going, be prepared for this

stick to your guns, your dh is spot on

and your kids need time with mum and dad, not always having to share them

nomorethan2thankyou · 04/07/2012 19:21

faye i agree. our DDs are only 2.7 years and 7 months. they're still babies really. feel relieved he's said it but sad it had to come to it.

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WhereYouLeftIt · 04/07/2012 19:21

Well, I think he's right. Helping her unquestioningly has just led to this ridiculous "plan" of hers, so a different approach is the ONLY way to go.

As for her saying that "he doesn't know what its like because he's got the family he always wanted" - sorry, but that's the sort of woe-is-me thing you can only say if you are hopelessly self-absorbed. She really needs to be pulled up short by reality.

WhereYouLeftIt · 04/07/2012 19:23

Faye makes a good point - you're both going to have to work on his parents and point out the their help is really a long-term hindrance - but your DH sounds completely capable and ready for it!

PooPooInMyToes · 04/07/2012 19:27

Gosh what a nightmare!

Lancelottie · 04/07/2012 19:36

Now that's a good brother. Help where needed and decent, forthright advice.

ChasedByBees · 04/07/2012 19:46

I think he did the right thing. Your PIL should stop enabling her too. Those poor children if she is going down the same route of dating sites. :(

AKMD · 04/07/2012 19:54

Well done your DH.

holyfishnets · 04/07/2012 19:55

you are all entitled to feel the way you do - she is entitled to long for another baby, you are entitled to not want to help out - as long as you are open about it there shouldn't be a problem. And I can see you have been. She would be better moving house maybe to avoid stairs and getting a sperm donor rather then one nighters!

diddl · 04/07/2012 20:29

Surely she has got the family she wanted if she has one night stands to have children?

I´m sure ILs will be up in arms-but they have no right to be as basically OP & her husband have said that they will not support her in having another baby via one night stand & that she should look after the two she already has-hardly radical!!

Dropdeadfred · 04/07/2012 20:31

How did she react OP?

nomorethan2thankyou · 04/07/2012 20:41

had the call from PIL. SIL is apparently really upset and now she feels worse than she did. its apparently her body and she can do what she likes with it and we all just have to support her because that's what families do. DH said we'll have to agree to disagree on the subject. arrrggghhh.
good news is my mum has offered to have our girls on friday night so we get a whole weekend with our girls plus a long overdue date :)

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