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Wtf!!!

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Isityouorme · 02/07/2012 20:20

Catching up on Gordon Ramsey's Behind Bars and apparently the prisoners get 5 choices for the evening meal!!! No fucking way! This is taking the mickey! No wonder this country is fucked up.....

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ninjasquirrel · 02/07/2012 22:52

Correlation is not the same as causation though - lots of things change over time.

Ruby - some interesting stuff in your link.

Going to bed now...

sensuallettuce · 02/07/2012 22:54

Squeakytoy - more reason to rehabilitate in a YOI then? While they are away from the family you are talking about (truth is though that many of them will have grown up in our "care" system).

If they are in a YOI - they are still children.

squeakytoy · 02/07/2012 22:56

rehabilitate to a certain extent yes, but there is no need to make the sentence as cushy and comfortable as possible..

Krumbum · 02/07/2012 22:58

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/prisons-grow-more-crowded-despite-falling-crime-rate-7786188.html

Squeaky this about the uk. Where is YOUR evidence?

waterlego6064 · 02/07/2012 23:00

pumpkin I do find your posts contradictory. That you think certain types of criminal are not human and yet you admit that you yourself have inhumane views. Humans are complicated and sometimes things go badly wrong. There is no such thing as an 'evil' person. Callingpeople monsters makes you feel better because you can separate yourself from that element of the human race.

WhiteWidow · 02/07/2012 23:01

krumbum isn't that arguing our point? It states that:

The ministry also disclosed that the proportion of repeat offenders appearing in court has hit a record high: more than 100,000 of the offenders sentenced last year had 15 or more previous convictions or cautions

So obviously nannying them isn't working.

pumpkinsweetie · 02/07/2012 23:03

The difference is waterlego, i hate peadophile and in theory would love for them to be sentenced to death but i don't go around killing/raping people and i never would

squeakytoy · 02/07/2012 23:04

well that link does prove my point too somewhat..

"The ministry also disclosed that the proportion of repeat offenders appearing in court has hit a record high: more than 100,000 of the offenders sentenced last year had 15 or more previous convictions or cautions."

"The proportion of criminals with 15 convictions has risen from less than 18 per cent of those sentenced in 2001 to 31.2 per cent last year"

"By contrast, the number of first time offenders has dropped from 11.9 per cent in 2001 to 10.1 per cent in 2011"

so we have 1.8% less crime, but more than 23% reoffending.... not really working being softer on criminals, is it... Hmm

MrsTerryPratchett · 02/07/2012 23:04

First Nations are the original people of Canada. They were systematically abused by people who were supposed to be caring for them. Sexual abuse is now endemic in their communities. I would have a hard time castrating someone who was removed form their family, culture, traditions and language, abused for years then returned to their culture which is now foreign to them. You feel free to castrate them, I'm sure you think they haven't suffered enough.

squeakytoy · 02/07/2012 23:07

AND... the number of crimes which dont even reach court because the offenders are let off with a caution probably distorts those figures even further!!

MrsTP, no offence, but again, we are talking about the UK prison system, not the original people of Canada, who I think it is safe to assume are not on trial in this country.

waterlego6064 · 02/07/2012 23:08

You've just contradicted yourself again pumpkin. You don't go around killing people but would 'love' to see people put to death. Yuck.

pumpkinsweetie · 02/07/2012 23:10

Not 'people'- peadophiles get it right and i dont want to physically see it but i would like it to happen

sensuallettuce · 02/07/2012 23:10

Am not sure we learn how to right society's wrongs by castrating and killing people - am pretty sure we'd just become a more violent nation Hmm

MrsTerryPratchett · 02/07/2012 23:11

People are people, though. I used that example because it is a real-life look at why victims are sometimes perpetrators and vice versa and why pretending they aren't is stupid.

waterlego6064 · 02/07/2012 23:13

Paedophiles are people. I realise you don't like that but it is still true. You wouldn't want to see the execution, no of course, that would be inhumane. Who do you think should carry out the state- sanctioned murders then?

And of course the death penalty is doing a great job of preventing crime in other parts of the world, isn't it? Is it? Hmm

squeakytoy · 02/07/2012 23:14

No, some people are decent human beings who make a valid contribution to society, and some people are not.

I dont subscribe to the idea that all criminals are victims. My sympathy lies with the real victims.

We all know people who have had shit lives, it does not mean that it is acceptable for them to commit crimes against other innocent people. It is no excuse.

sensuallettuce · 02/07/2012 23:15

It's a bit more complicated than that though - it's about opportunities.

pumpkinsweetie · 02/07/2012 23:16

Death penalty aside, do you really think dangerous criminals NEED a choice of 5 different meals? Surely they should just have breakfast, lunch and dinner vegatarian or meat should be the only choice surely?

MrsTerryPratchett · 02/07/2012 23:18

No, some people are decent human beings who make a valid contribution to society, and some people are not. That's just not true. I was saved from definite serious injury and possibly death (can't go into identifying details) by a snotty, multiple TWOC committing yob. I hope that my profuse thanks and telling him he was awesome helped him change but who knows. Maybe he saved my life then stole another 200 cars. I am still alive now, though.

WhiteWidow · 02/07/2012 23:18

Is anyone going to acknowledge that fact that repeat offending has rose by a massive 23%...

waterlego6064 · 02/07/2012 23:19

Ahhhh, death penalty aside...Wink

I think offering halal and kosher has to be done, in the interests of human rights. Did you watch the programme pumpkin? The 5 'choices' offered to the inmates at Brixton were: option 1, option 2, vegetarian, vegan and halal. 5 options altogether but you can't get around that if you need to cater for the different needs of the prisoners.

MrsTerryPratchett · 02/07/2012 23:21

I think vegan is also vegetarian and halal and kosher so they can all eat nut cutlets and lentil burgers.

squeakytoy · 02/07/2012 23:22

neither does a lack of opportunities mean it is a valid excuse to commit crime...

my great grandad was left on orphanage steps, he grew up in the workhouse, and left there to do a manual poorly paid job.. my grandparents were poor, they had to leave my father with my great grandmother while they went from the north to london to go looking for work in the 1930's..

the only opportunities they had were the ones that they tried to find themselves, but at no point did they turn to crime

There were riots last year a mile away from me, with rioters bleating that they were doing it because they had nothing and it wasnt fair... worryingly I suspect that some on this thread will wring their hands and say "awww you cant blame them for it"... bullshit..

WhiteWidow · 02/07/2012 23:22

Waterlego, if that's the case why do some hospitals only have 3 choices.

squeakytoy · 02/07/2012 23:24

"Is anyone going to acknowledge that fact that repeat offending has rose by a massive 23%..."

I dont think so WW.. other than me, you and Pumpkins, everyone else at the moment seems to think they should all get memory foam pillows and haute cuisine...