Wtf!!!

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Catching up on Gordon Ramsey's Behind Bars and apparently the prisoners get 5 choices for the evening meal!!! No fucking way! This is taking the mickey! No wonder this country is fucked up.....

Then your eyes don't work pumpkin because they are people. People who have done hateful and repulsive things nut still people.

But they are not, they are evil and depraved and should not be walking amongst us.

evil - as in 'possessed by demons and in league with Satan?'

I don;t believe in evil

Further Googling and I found this report sentencingcouncil.vic.gov.au/sites/sentencingcouncil.vic.gov.au/files/does_imprisonment_deter_a_review_of_the_evidence.pdf which is interesting. It says research consistently finds no deterrent effect of harsher punishment, mainly because criminals aren't particularly rational and don't think they will get caught. What does have a deterrent effect is if you can convince them there is a very high chance they will get caught.

Neither do I gordy.

Neither do I.

I'm with you Pumpkin. At the very least convicted paedophiles should be castrated. Their crimes are too abhorrent to allow the risk that they could reoffend. I've worked with the victims of paedophiles and the saddest thing is where you have a victim who is now in their seventies who has never gotten over the abuse and it has destroyed their life. Time we got tough on criminals.

I just remembered, I only got three choices of meal when I was in hospital. I'm positively aghast! Where's my human rights?!

"the legal punishment is denial of freedom"

so by that token, should they live in luxury?

but just because they cant go down the pub at night, its ok, they are being punished?

utter liberal claptrap

"Anyone who thinks prison is an easy option still has a great deal of growing up to do"

For way too many, prison IS an easy option. And believe me, I am 43 years old, and some of the people I know have spent their adult lives in and out of prison.. they do not come from bad backgrounds, they are not victims.. they HAVE victims. They come out, brag to their mates, pick up where they left off, including the string of deluded women who think the lifestyle of being a "gangsters bird" is glamorous, and before too long, they are back inside for another stretch.

My company has recently done a contract at a YOI and spent a lot of time mixing with the poor misunderstood thugs, and trust me, it IS like a holiday camp in there.

I work with a lot of First Nations people. They were systematically removed from their parents and sent to residential schools where the priests sexually abused pretty much all of them.

There is now a lot of sexual abuse in the First Nations community. Are all these people depraved and evil or are they victims. Maybe both.

Pumpkin they are not evil and depraved, they have done bad things but you can't just write people off, 2 points I want to make.

1). I/my family have lost someone to a brutal and hateful murder. I haven't forgiven the killer and I never will but I don't wish them harm. Being denied their freedom is enough, this is something my family have agreed on.

2). We came to this decision, as well as my view on the death penalty and such because (we) I believe in the concept that as a society we cannot say to hurt another human or make them suffer or take a life is morally wrong and then commit them ourselves. If I say we believe that killing is the ultimate crime, the lowest of the low how can we authorise it to be done. If we as a society say its wrong to kill for money then kill or mistreat prisoners because of the cost we are contradicting ourselves. Society should set and lead by the example, not be hypocritical.

Im completely with you hippo.
I think the system doesn't come down hard enough on them at all and they normally get out after half a sentence to re-offend.

That would be an interesting link Ninja, if it was based on UK statistics... but it isnt...

Hmm big difference between a YOI and an adult prison which is why they are separate places.

Ruby, you are my hero.

CASTRATE people, are you fucking joking?!

You're surely being sarcastic?

insight.kellogg.northwestern.edu/index.php/m/article/preventing_crime_waves

And If you go by your theory then countries with the death penalty should have the lowest crime rates. But they don't.

pumpkin Would you still believe in the death penalty if someone you loved was wrongfully convicted?

Im not religious whatsoever so im sorry but i would like to see the death sentence brought on to peados/murderers/rapists as they have took a life.
I don't know how them sorts of creatures can live with themselves anyway??

Im sorry but a 5 meal choice is a ridiculious amount of choice for a criminal

waterlego, there isn't much chance of that with Dna evidence

So squeaky, you're saying that what we've got at the moment doesn't stop reoffending and I think that's true, but there's no evidence to show that harsher prison conditions alone would do a better job in turning out reformed characters. It's not as simple as you're making out.

I posted this the other day, don't know if some of you have read it, but found it really interesting, and would be of interest to some on this thread.

I found bottom of page 9, middle of page 11 (bit about reoffending) and page 16 to be the most interesting.

I lost my real dad to some fucker killing him. going to out myself here, but I was 6 weeks old, he was 23 and my mum was 18. I'm now 20.

If he had been sent to jail, and had a life like prisons are offering now, I'd want him dead. He doesn't deserve to have fun, to eat decent food, to have pet budgies, rewards and treats.to have choices. Choices he TOOK AWAY from my dad.

Obviously I have personal anger at the whole thing, but I
KNOW I would still feel the same if I didn't.

"sensuallettuce Mon 02-Jul-12 22:34:03
Hmm big difference between a YOI and an adult prison which is why they are separate places"

but my point is, they are going in there and it is a holiday camp to the majority, so they come out, without any fear of going to an adult prison, and without much remorse for their crime..

make it tougher on them from the beginning, and they will be less inclined to want a return ticket..

Why wouldn't you want peadophiles to be castrated? Are you serious? I cant see why they are not tbh, discusting vile creatures that rape and torture little kids-peadophiles don't deserve to be on this earth