Wtf!!!

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Catching up on Gordon Ramsey's Behind Bars and apparently the prisoners get 5 choices for the evening meal!!! No fucking way! This is taking the mickey! No wonder this country is fucked up.....

Not sure will have to ask OH when he gets home - pretty sure the choice diminishes toward the end of a 3 month patrol

Can I tell you how many people I worked with who were ex-offenders who had come out of the armed forces? Flipping tons. I worked with a really nasty man who murdered his girlfriend after doing a few years in the army (including the shit hole that was NI at the time). Lots and lots of offenders are also ex-forces. People aren't one thing or the other. Maybe if he had been better fed in the army or had any support and debriefing after his time in NI he wouldn't have stabbed his girlfriend.

I have a family friend who was in and out of prison after his stint in NI - he went AWOL, then was discharged, then wandered around homeless and in a bad way for 10 years doing drugs and petty crime

he is now a lone parent to a lovely child and a good egg all round - people change given the chance and the tools

What exactly does that have to do with anything?!

Lots of offenders have jobs before they offend?

agree with toutou

I'm objecting to the worthy and deserving comment. I think people compartmentalise too much. The forces man who is serving his country can turn into a criminal on return. The poor old dear in the home could have been a shit when younger. The abused child turns into a sex offender.

My point is that the man I worked with should have been fed decently in the army, decently in prison and decently on release, because he is the same person.

"I'd prefer that prisons were more comfortable, not less. They should be places where damaged humans can be rehabilitated and educated, and prepared for their return to society as functioning citizens. If I was running a prison, I wouldn't just give them 5 choices, I'd let them draw up the menu"

I wonder if you would feel the same if your child was stabbed, or your mother was mugged? Or maybe if your daughter was systematically beaten by her partner...

have a fucking

If my child was stabbed I would want to beat the person that did it to a bloody pulp. That is why I should not be in charge of sentencing. I want the system to minimise recidivism, that is all. Treating people like shit doesn't work. I want less crime not a self-satisfied glow of sadistic pride that I hurt people who hurt people.

Armed forces doing a job, protecting our country and others, getting probably shit food. Compared against criminals getting 5 choices of meals a night, something is wrong.

If the armed forces guy kills a few people and goes to prison, he should not be fed from a menu and he is not the same person.

that's nice Squeakytoy enjoy that

you have no idea if or how anyone posting has been effected by crime - stop making lazy assumptions and nasty comments

Don't worry all those who want sex offenders/child abusers etc to suffer more. I can tell you, the segregated wing is just bloody awful. And they spend much of their time terrified of being harmed by the 'regular' prisoners. There are few people more ready to beat a paedophile to a pulp it's other offenders.

I think if you DNA tested him, you could be pretty certain he was the same person.

BTW - I'm not saying that's a good thing, that they suffer in that way. I'm just saying that their lives are already really shit, no matter how many X-boxes are available, so it would be very hard to make it any worse.

Not sure I agree with you actually. I know my OH and most serving armed forces have worse living conditions than most prisoners and none of them complain.

They fight or our country and are risking their lives, don't get phone calls home or visits from family twice a month - they don't have access to TV's or x-boxes. A lot of armed forces have gone to serve to get away from difficult backgrounds. They are the positive.

I believe in rehabilitation - but a lot of prisoners have ruined others life's - there is the negative - and there is no easy or Ight answer.

I do not believe they should be eating gruel but a lot of the bleating does puss me off when I know OH's living conditions are worse and I can't go and visit him or even contact him for MONTHS - and he is protecting all of us.

And I want the system to be a damn sight harsher on offenders. I want the fear of prison to make people think twice before they start fights, before they deal drugs, before they drink and drive. I want prisoners to have a thoroughly fucking miserable time locked up, deprived of luxuries, and made to exist on a bare minimum.

I want to live in a society where people have respect for others on the street, and respect for the law, not make a mockery of it, knowing full well that the punishment is rarely going to fit the crime.

Sorry for my typos iPad ......

do the majority of people you meet not respect the law then?

I find most people do

criminals are still in the minority in the UK

A choice of 5 meals!!!?? WTAF, the only thing prisoners should get is a toilet, a shower, some porridge, water, cardboard bed, and loo roll.
No wonder they re-offend with all these lovely meals, on call doctor, tv, games consoles, catalogues, a gym, library etc-and they are getting all this stuff for free.

Squeakytoy, you can want that because of emotions but real evidence shows over and over that that does not work. It causes more crime. So it'd be stupid to do it.
Oh and people in the forces are there of their own free will and getting paid to be there so it's not really relevant.

Squeaky, harsher prisons don't equal more respect for the law though, like someone said upthread, just look at the US...

I want that society too squeaky, we all do. We all want people to have respect for others. We just disagree on how to make that happen.

sensuallettuce I have the utmost respect for the job that your OH does. However, he has the choice to leave that job, doesn't he? Prisoners do not have that freedom (quite rightly).

Who should do his job then?

It sounds lovely doesn't it pumpkin? You know what you need to do if you want a piece of it for yourself. :)

"real evidence shows over and over that that does not work. It causes more crime"

really... do you have any links to those facts?

There is a much higher crime rate now than there was 50 years ago, the reoffending rate is also very much higher, yet sentences are much lighter.

Seems fairly conclusive to me.

Why should prisoners live a cushty life when they have harmed/raped/killed/stole from others?