Wtf!!!

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Catching up on Gordon Ramsey's Behind Bars and apparently the prisoners get 5 choices for the evening meal!!! No fucking way! This is taking the mickey! No wonder this country is fucked up.....

The problem with the "Our boys" rhetoric is that is hides the fact that many ex-servicemen are not adequately prepared for post forces life and a significant number of them do fall into addiction, homelessness and crime.

Especially as many of them come from deprived backgrounds originally and on leaving the forces have lost the only stability they've known.

I agree the the huge increase in female prisoners is a great concern, I would highly recommend "Eve was Framed" by Helena Kennedy, it's a fascinating and saddening look at how women are failed by the justice system.

MrsTerry - I would be very interested to hear more about your work with the First Nations people.

Finally - the army does provide halal food on request.

For the third time - armed forces personnel do not choose the politics or conflicts, but they do do a vital job which at the current time whether you agree with it is or not is neccessary.

I'd rather not write my OH's future off right now if you don't mind- atm he is a law abiding citizen paying large amounts of tax which a prisoner is not yet the government spend about as much as much on his food and clothes as an inmate - THAT was my point - pointless getting into a row about war - or the value of the armed forces. Submarine service mainly act as a deterrent/Protector/info gatherer and don't get into that many conflicts (Afghan is land locked).

*sensual" yes I agree with you, it is not the men inthe forces like your husband that I am attacking in any way or form in my post, it is those who make the decisions.

The same way you are attacking the governments choices to spend on his food and clothing, I am attacking the governments choices to send him to war in the first place.

GothAnneGeddes PM me and I will expound at boring length.

I know it's hard to hear perceived criticism of the forces sensual but if you read back, people are complaining about the wars not the people who go and fight them.

Clearly - but those complaints seem rather obvious and a little pointless when PPs were already complaining the thread had gone off topic - when I was using the forces to point out that if anyone is deserving of the government directing more money towards the food budget it's those in the forces who are defending the UK rather than those in jail who are doing anything but.

I don't think anyone actually thinks war is a good thing esp me

I think some of the objections came from that point. The idea that people in the forces, hospital and homes are 'good' and deserve to be fed properly and people in prison are 'bad' or not human at all and deserve to be fed pig swill irks me. Not everyone in the forces is a nice person and not everyone in prison is a nasty person. IME people are a mix of good and bad. Let's feed them all decently and see what happens.

Besides the fact that not everyone in the forces is on a sub or in Kandahar. My mate in the navy seems to have spent the last year swanning around on friendly-making exercises eating Bento boxes in Japan and drinking beer everywhere else.

Well - I couldn't disagree with you more.

I doubt many other forces families left at home would agree with the last part of your post either.

MrsTerry- i don't agree that prisoners deserve as good food as those in hospital and in the army as prisoners are neither ill or working and they are paying no tax into the system.
Joe Bloggs who has terminal cancer deserves better food than a criminal surely

The armed forces get fed very well, in fact, and for free.They certainly get plenty of choices on the whole. I don't see the comparison.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/5165449/Chef-on-Royal-Navy-submarine-HMS-Tireless-on-secrets-of-feeding-130-under-the-sea.html

Sensual so you think that feed prisoners on the worst possible food is ok? And while alot of service personnel are in war zones, a hell of alot are not, that is a fact regardless of whether you like it or not.

Oh and the father of my parents godson (still with me?) actually put weight on when he was a 6 month tour in his sub!

Fresh food after 3 months really?! - and putting on weight suggests it is a load of stogey crap and fried foods (which it is as I live with a submariner - he's not my fathers, parents, godson).

Not that I am suggesting the chefs are no good they their best in difficult circumstances

Is fresh for the first few weeks then after that not - and I never said the food was rubbish - I said they had the same budget as HMPS.

Do not believe everything you read in the paper - do you not think they were on their best behaviour for the film crew.

Where have I said I think prisoners deserve the worst possible food?

It's not about bloody 'deserving' as good food 'as'. It's about feeding everyone decently. Actually, plenty of prisoners are ill. And, plenty of people in hospital and homes have paid next to no tax. The only way to do this is either feed everyone decently or have this conversation with every single person fed by the State:

Do you pay tax, have you ever paid, have you done anything else that is worthy (brought up kids, volunteered), have you ever committed a crime, a bad one, did you hurt anyone, were you caught, are you sick, mentally or physically, are you old, were you a bastard when you were young?

OK, here's a ham sandwich.

If you choose to spend a few months in a tin can under the sea, I'd imagine you have enough brains to work out that you're not going to have fresh vegetables for very long. And I doubt it was all about a film crew, what with it being an long running voting thing by the men themselves.

EVERYBODY should be fed properly, there should be no hierarchy.

Well I can tell you my OH isn't on that sub and has never voted for anything food related - and I am pretty sure he (and I) are more in the know than you or the Telegraph.

But this again misses my point - and the fact that I am not one of the posters on here who has said I believe prisoners should be fed crap - I feel my argument has been quite balanced but hey - this IS MN

"if anyone is deserving of the government directing more money towards the food budget it's those in the forces who are defending the UK rather than those in jail who are doing anything but."

I disagree, I think it should be those in hospitals, not the healthy who are given better food

I think there would be more money to do this, in fact I think we could sort out this whole mess and have more money all round if we stopped fighting pointless wars

I suppose the Telegraph invented the British Armed Forces top chef competition then, along with the gala awards dinner, and the MoD completely lies about all their food and capabilities.

Definitely you and your OH know about all the food around the world in all the armed forces, much better than the MoD, the papers, and the people working in it the papers interviewed.

The article that was posted was about the submarine service .

Where did I say it didn't happen?

There is more than one sub and that chef isn't on all of them - I doubt many people in the armed forces knew about the competition tbh the same as any NHS worker wouldn't if there was one in the NHS?

Shock horror YES the MOD lie - its a bloody PR thing for them isn't it?!

Nailik I nearly included hospitals/care homes etc but was getting flack for my armed forces comments - so stuck to my guns but I agree with you they should as well as.

Well obviously one chef isn't on all of them (pretty sure if they have cloning tech they aren't using it for that), but to have WON he would have been up against OTHERS, you follow?

Seems like they do very well for food despite the constraints. But people will always complain.....

Five choices doesn't seem that "WTF" to me. To give a bit of perspective, I am a vegan, and I have far more options than that to eat each night, plus subsets of options within those. For example, I can choose pasta, then choose what shape of pasta, and what to have with it!

Kosher
Halal
Vegi
Vegan
Meat

I think when they were sentenced to prison, they were being denied their freedom, whoch should include freedom to choose their meals. They can be kosher/halal whatever on the outside, when in prison they cn eat what they are given.

Haven't read the whole thread but in response to someone upthread - yes sadly people do reoffend so they can go back inside. For many people life in prison is better than the life they have outside

Another point: if we feed prisoners worse food than we do now, will this not have an impact on their health? As a rule, I doubt prisoners have direct debits to BUPA, so I think savings on food could potentially cost the taxpayer more, in the form of medical treatment.

So everyone should eat meat that had been killed inhumanly? Because they are in prison? You can be in prison and still about animals, religion etc.