Wtf!!!

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Catching up on Gordon Ramsey's Behind Bars and apparently the prisoners get 5 choices for the evening meal!!! No fucking way! This is taking the mickey! No wonder this country is fucked up.....

Ok firstly care home residents, hospital patients and most def forces members should be fed adequately and tbh more than adequately.

IME hospital restaurant/canteen grub is better than what you get served on the wards which needs to be changed.

Anyway.

Prison is not a holiday camp. It really isn't. I know men and women who have 'done' time and the bullshit nonsense of holiday camps and Xboxes doesn't ring true.

Prison is harsh. Prison is rife with drugs. If you don't go in as an addict you will come out as one.

Its shit. Its shit for the inmate and its shit for their families.

Its violent. You are at risk of being attacked all the time. It is full of some very disturbed people with something to prove.

Yes if you break the law and to an extent that you get sent to prison then you are there to be punished. It is a punishment.

Then you have those that basically are addicts/damaged people. They view prison time as an occupational hazard but they are drug addicts and its part of that lifestyle.

Yes there are some murderers/paedophiles in prison I'm glad they are but many are there because they are trapped in a pattern that quite probably started when they were very young.

More could be done to prevent reoffending.

The matter of women prisoners and the all round price society pays for that is for another day/thread.

Oh well dog food if is then bogeyface, im sure that will be cheaper for the goverment to feed them?

I do find it interesting that so many of us have friends or relatives who work in the system with such polarised views.

Someone who I have known since birth has been a prison officer at Strangeways in Manchester for over 20 years and he has seen many changes over this time. He says that conditions there are extremely comfortable now. Much more so than they used to be, and the inmates have plenty of mod cons, luxuries, and want for very little.

I'm off to bed so I can't address all the points I want to but, pumpkin vegetarianism isn't necessarily about animal cruelty. I'm a vegetarian and I try to live a vegan life because humans are technically herbivores and the meat industry is not only unsustainable but also extremely damagin to the environment and extremely unhealthy to us as humans.

Also many religions require vegetarianism therefore the vegan and vegetarian options are most likely to cater to other religions as well as people who choose it as a lifestyle choice.

"The matter of women prisoners and the all round price society pays for that is for another day/thread."

I thought we were all meant to be for equality these days though. No reason why women should be treated any differently than men in my view. If they commit the crime, they run the risk of imprisonment.

Read this about mothers in prison.

It isnt just murderers, rapists and arseholes in prison.

Squeaky if you read the link I posted, it talks about the inequality in regards to female prisoners. Mainly that something like 80% have children only 20% of whom are cared for by their fathers while their mothers are imprisoned meaning they go in care. Then a massive proportion of these children go on to become offenders. Also highlighted by the huge proportion of offenders who have been in care and/or had mothers mprisoned

So why are they in prison then Bogey?

And yes, I have just read it. It doesnt make me feel sympathy.

Sympathy for the children, yes. They didnt ask for a parent to be a criminal.

"Mainly that something like 80% have children only 20% of whom are cared for by their fathers while their mothers are imprisoned meaning they go in care"

Sorry, cant find much sympathy there for the mothers. They shouldnt be breaking the law. Having a child does not mean you are above the law.

Home affairs select committee and baroness Corston found:

Whilst the Government has said that it wishes to constrain the overall growth in prisoner numbers, the sharp rise in women prisoners would appear to deserve particular attention. The vast majority of these women are in prison for non-violent offences and have never been a danger to the public. We recommend that the Government consider setting targets for reducing the numbers of women offenders sentenced to prison and monitor the use of the community sentences available under the Criminal Justice Act 2003 and their impact on reducing the female prison population.3

I do not believe, like some campaigners, that no women should be held in custody. There are some crimes for which custody is the only resort in the interests of justice and public protection, but I was dismayed to see so many women frequently sentenced for short periods of time for very minor offences, causing chaos and disruption to their lives and families, without any realistic chance of addressing the causes of their criminality. I acknowledge that some low-level offending women are persistent offenders who breach their bail conditions and this cannot be ignored. But breach is ratcheting up the use of custody to little avail and there are alternative community solutions which I explore in my report. The effects on the 18,000 children every year whose mothers are sent to prison are so often nothing short of catastrophic. I have concluded that the nature of women?s custody in many of our prisons needs to be radically rethought.

Squeaky
Many women are in prison for unpaid fines. Stupid things like not having a TV license or not paying council tax. You cant pay, then you get a fine for not paying AND you have to pay the original amount owing, which you cant pay (well DUH!) so then you end up in prison. A higher percentage of women end up in prison for unpaid fines than men.

Are they in the same group as those that commit assualt,, fraud or murder?

And as for re-offending to get back in, that is such a stupid thing to say

It most certainly is not. I know plenty of repeat offenders who much prefer life in prison to life outside - they get 3 square meals a day, their script, something to do but most importantly some structure and purpose to their day.

Prison is horrible. People who say they are like holiday camps have clearly never stepped inside one. However, for a lot of the offenders out there prison is a considerable improvement to the utter chaos of their everyday lives.

There is a sexism in the justice system where men are given community sentences for crimes that would land a woman in prison. But the woman going to prison is more likely to have ramifications on the next generation than the man doing 100 hours of litter picking.

and presumably those of you saying "there's only one choice in our house" - you make a meal that all your family like and probably say something like "shall I do ham, egg and chips tomorrow ?".

Completely different kettle of fish to offering 5 choices on a menu for several hundred people of different religions, dietary needs and tastes.

OhDearNigel

Would they get back in just for the meals? That is the comment I was referring to. Just the meals? Really?

And the person that said that has since said that it wasnt meant seriously.

no-one is asking for anyone's sympathy - just to look rationally at 1. the unfair sexist imprisoning of women comapred to men and 2 the consequences of imprisoning a woman, often.

I can understand what you are saying Bogey, but I would be interested to know the full facts of these cases. (I am not suggesting you provide them, or doubting what you are saying).

However prison for non payment of fines is generally a last resort after many chances. I would find it very hard to believe that anyone is sent to prison simply for not paying a fine, and would suspect that there are other circumstances in many of these cases which show the means to pay the fine were there, but the money was squandered on other things.

I appreciate that I can only speak from my experience but I have worked in the post charge world (ie cases going to court to be dealt with) for 4 years. I've dealt with hundreds of defendants, with a lot of custodial terms imposed. I haven't had a custodial sentence imposed on a female defendant since I returned to work from maternity leave in September 2010.

The imprisoned women that I have had dealings with have been extremely dangerous offenders or very prolific shoplifters/drg dealers. It is not my experience that women are locked up for trivial offences - quite the opposite in fact. I appreciate this is anecdotal evidence but I do strongly believe that figures can be manipulated to "prove" the conclusion you want. A few years ago the British Crime Survey heralded a "drop in crime". What it actually was was a drop in the gap between perceptions of crime levels and the actual crime rate - which was actually rising.

THe judges seem to think that women shouldnt commit crimes and therefore need to be shown the error of their ways. But men are men...hey what can you do?!......so they get a slap on the wrist.

Would they get back in just for the meals? That is the comment I was referring to. Just the meals? Really?

Probably, yes.

wow, bogyeface, what judges are those?

That is what I meant in a way too Nigel, when I said earlier in this thread that statistics and figures are very subjective.

Lower conviction rates does not necessarily mean less crime. It actually means more people are simply cautioned or let off. Less paperwork involved that way..

I am sure that of we stopped sending our armed forces on illegal wars causing massive civillian deaths then a lot more money would be saved then if we gave prisoners less choice of food. There would also be a lot less innocent people killed, injured, children orphaned and lives ruined.

And, nailak it would also stop the forces being in harms way. Everyone's a winner.

Kosher
Halal
Vegi
Vegan
Meat

So for a lot of people it is a choice of one or two