To be concerned about the amount of women fantising about an abusive rapist...

[BeyondTheLimitsOfAcceptability]

Just to add to the other six million 50 shades threads

Btw, I will point out that I haven't actually read them, though I have become slightly addicted to reading the funny blogs and reviews (and of course, the cookie monster reading on YouTube!)

How are so many women missing that he is abusive? Wtf?

Fantising? Stupid iPad

Rapist?

Abusive rapest? Did I read a different book?

It's obvious you haven't read them when you make an ignorant comment like that.

Rapist

I must have missed the rape scene then.

Don't get me wrong - the books are load of old shit...but can't recall a rape.

YABU to be concerned about something that you have made up, yes.

Bear with me, I'm trying to find a quote...

Rape? I think we must be reading different books...

Think you has read the wrong book certainly no rape !!!

The OP hasn't read the books *EasilyBored"

No rape that I'm aware of.........unless it happens in the later books which i've not got round to reading yet.

Can't find the quote i saw but will keep looking...

And it wasn't a case of "Christian then rapes her" btw, it was something about her saying no and him fucking her anyway

He's a sulky childish twat, and a rubbish Dom - but he's not a rapist.

I read the first book....I forced myself to finish it. It's an unmitigated pile of crap.

.. and that doesn't happen either. Read the books before you start waffling on about their content.

And anyway, even without me finding that quote, what is the general opinion re me saying he is abusive? Can you deny that?

I haven't read the books, as they don't appeal to me. From what I understand, they are about a bdsm relationship. In a real bdsm relationship there would be ground rules and safety words or a stopping point. I'm not aware if this is in the book, but it's not rape. Is it not described as a sexy romance book? I'm sure any rape scenes would have been mentioned in the shedloads of press about it.
Anyway, you can't judge a book by what others say about it or by collecting quotes that can be taken out of context. You have to read it yourself and see what it is and what you think it's about.

I've read the first two books, she hasn't said no yet. Actually she seems to do an awful lot of pleading with him to put it in.

stripy yes there is a contract of rules in the book, which they negotiate...

Word of advice OP - read the books then invite discussion.
You can't opinionate on whether on not he is abusive, and argue your case, because you have not read the books.

Debate fail.

But that's the whole point - it is a fantasy. I'm sure that in RL women would not go near him, but as a fantasy what is the problem.

BTW, there is no rape that I recall, but even if there was it is a work of fiction. Obviously rape in RL is very, very wrong - but as a fantasy?

He's controlling and emotionally messed up, and I think he's a total douche, but I wouldn't go as fas as abusive.

The books are trash. They're turn-your-brain-off reading. I wouldn't read them again, and I'm not having sex dreams about Christian Grey. But they aren't what you're claiming them to be either. Stop spouting crap about something you haven't even bothered to read.

moomins she does an awful lot of lip biting. I could gleefully split that lip for her. It's irritating.

Its not rape. Its consensual domination. Very, very different.

Domination may not be for everyone. But rape is for no one.

For all the books are shit he's no rapist. The whole sub Dom set up fascinates me. It's a lifestyle built on trust, consent, boundaries and respect.