To be concerned about the amount of women fantising about an abusive rapist...

[BeyondTheLimitsOfAcceptability]

Just to add to the other six million 50 shades threads

Btw, I will point out that I haven't actually read them, though I have become slightly addicted to reading the funny blogs and reviews (and of course, the cookie monster reading on YouTube!)

How are so many women missing that he is abusive? Wtf?

YABU because you havent read the book, and clearly dont have a clue what it is about.

To be honest I don't understand all the fuss about this trilogy although I will be reading them all (only read the first so far) because I'm nosy and want to find out what happens.

I do know that being abusive and being a DOM are two completely different things.

And I do know that you haven't read the book so are going on hearsay and spouting somebody elses opinion.

YABU

BDSM is not Abusive Rape. That is pushing the definition of rape and abuse into unhelpful territory IMO.

Ah apologies everyone, I can't find the quote at all and am worried now that I may have dreamt it! Which would mean that I am dreaming of Mr Grey!

Yep what is the bloody lip biting crap about!

Also pages and pages of the contract, things they agree to do. Things they won't do, safe words etc

"Oh my"

"Holy crap!"

and then they don't use the contract anyway......

Actually she seems to do an awful lot of pleading with him to put it in.

Ha ha ha...brilliant.

I imagine it's difficult to have such a strong opinion without having read the books. I haven't read them and the only opinion I have is that I don't want to read them as they sound like unpolished turd. Give me Anais Nin or Brock Norman Brock any day. Actually just give me my husband.

What's this "holy crap" business? Puts me in mind of batman

Oh and I'm not saying he is abusive because he is a Dom, I'm not completely ignorant of the BDSM world (although all of the people I know personally who have read it seem to know very little about it). Just that his general relationship behaviour seems more than a little off. If Ana were on the relationship boards, she'd have an unanimous "leave the bastard"

Thanks queen I'm just getting to the will she sign the contract bit!

But she does leave the bastard doesn't she? That's what Woman's Hour said.

How do you know Beyond? You have no idea what Ana's character would post, because you haven't read the book!

Whoops at taking

Actually good point takingiteasy, spoilers abound. I suppose don't read such threads if you don't want to spoil the book. Sorry.

Beyond, Ana seems to have about five personalities (one of which is responsible for telling her to breathe but seems to fail miserably at this task, often) it is entirely possible that one of them said no at some point while the other 2 were saying yes and the fourth was forgetting to breathe again.

I don't remember reading it such a scene but I haven't finished the book yet.

I can just see Ana sitting at her mean machine, biting her lip and composing a post on here!

Or is it usual for you to opinionate on stuff simply by going on what someone else says?

Thing is, a vast amount of women's romantic fiction has been based on 'rape fantasy'. This is partly if not mainly due to the fact that up until recently, women weren't supposed to like sex or engage in it, and if they did they were dirty sluts who would come to a bad end. So the 'rape fantasy' (which basically consisted of the woman saying No a lot to the super-hot Alpha Male Hero, getting fucked or at least kissed vigorously anyway and enjoying it) was a way for women to fantasize about guilt-free sexual pleasure - he made her enjoy it, wasn't her fault, she couldn't help it, etc.
I have to say it's not a trope that's ever really worked for me, but then I'm a top . However it's one of those concepts that's been around a long time and therefore, even though it's not a very nice one, it's still going to resonate with some women, particularly those who don't identify as feminists.

I'm kidding about the spoilers the book is so shit it can't be soilt I'm just a stubborn cow and determined to finish what I started!

Yes Pictish. Because I can't form an opinion based on actual quotes myself.
My opinion may be less valid because I haven't read it cover to cover, but that doesn't make it invalid.

Easilybored agreed that he was controlling, I can't have completely made it up

Can I?

All whilst her inner goddess is tapping her foot or eating grapes!

I'm surprised she hasn't passed out yet from the lack of breathing, I'm wondering if she can keep it up for the whole of the three books.

Actually I wonder if he can keep it up for the whole of the three books. If having a personal trainer does that I might look into one.

I read two chapters and it made me want to puke. It's like something you would read as a teenager but with cocks. He sounds like a stalker but can't comment on the rapist element. I would have to actually read it and that is far too painful to contemplate. If people want erotic fiction there is much better stuff available out there than that tosh.