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So David Cameron (we are in it together) really wants to fuck up our children then!

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belleMarie · 23/06/2012 23:14

How can anyone be taken in by this muppet? whilst him, Sam (and her £1000 pound frocks) and kiddies eat good, sleep good, shit good - we're basically screwed?

His hate for the poor/have-not is staggering and apart from a a couple of grunts here and there, this man is unstoppable.

Cameron to axe housing benefits for feckless under 25s as he declares war on welfare culture
Prime Minister gives exclusive interview to the MAIL ON SUNDAY
Reveals housing benefit will be scrapped for under 25s, who'll be forced to live with their parents
Dole money will be stopped for those who refuse to find work
Mr Cameron shares his views on Euro2012, Jimmy Carr, and what really happened when he left his daughter in the pub

Radical new welfare cuts targeting feckless couples who have children and expect to live on state handouts will be proposed by David Cameron tomorrow.
His bold reforms could also lead to 380,000 people under 25 being stripped of housing benefits and forced to join the growing number of young adults who still live with their parents.
In a keynote speech likely to inflame tensions with his deputy Nick Clegg, the Prime Minister will call for a debate on the welfare state, focusing on reforms to ?working-age benefits?.

Among the ideas being considered by Mr Cameron are:
Scrapping most of the £1.8 billion in housing benefits paid to 380,000 under-25s, worth an average £90 a week, forcing them to support themselves or live with their parents.
Stopping the £70-a-week dole money for the unemployed who refuse to try hard to find work or produce a CV.
Forcing a hardcore of workshy claimants to do community work after two years on the dole ? or lose all their benefits.
Well-placed sources say Ministers are also taking a fresh look at plans to limit child benefit to a couple?s first three children, although Mr Cameron is not expected to address this issue directly tomorrow.
Speaking exclusively to The Mail on Sunday, Mr Cameron said: ?We are sending out strange signals on working, housing and fa8milies.?

He argued that some young people lived with their parents, worked hard, planned ahead and got nothing from the State, while others left home, made little effort to seek work and got a home paid for by the benefits system.

?A couple will say, ?We are engaged, we are both living with our parents, we are trying to save before we get married and have children and be good parents. But how does it make us feel, Mr Cameron, when we see someone who goes ahead, has the child, gets the council home, gets the help that isn?t available to us???
?One is trapped in a welfare system that discourages them from working, the other is doing the right thing and getting no help.?
Asked if he would take action against large families who were paid large sums in benefits, he replied:
?This is a difficult area but it is right to pose questions about it. At the moment the system encourages people not to work and have children, but we should help people to work AND have children.?
His plan to axe housing benefit for the under-25s will have exemptions for special cases, such as domestic violence, but he said: ?We are spending nearly £2 billion on housing benefit for under-25s ? a fortune. We need a bigger debate about welfare and what we expect of people. The system currently sends the signal you are better off not working, or working less.?
He also favours new curbs on the Jobseeker?s Allowance, demanding the unemployed do more to find work. He said: ?We aren?t even asking them, ?Have you got a CV ready to go?? ? A small minority of hardcore workshy, an estimated 5,000 to 10,000, could be forced to take part in community work if they fail or refuse to find work or training after two years.
The Prime Minister wants to show he is committed to radical policies, but his speech could exacerbate strains with Coalition partner Mr Clegg, whose Lib Dems oppose drastic welfare cuts.
It follows the row over plans to revive O-levels and will fuel rumours the Coalition could end long before the 2015 Election. ?As leader of a political party as well as running a Coalition it?s right sometimes to make a more broad-ranging speech,? said Mr Cameron.
A Government official said: ?Decent folk are fed up with the increasing abuse of the welfare system. Responsible people who work damned hard, often on low incomes, to support themselves, are sick and tired of seeing others do nothing and live off the state.
?Labour threw ever greater sums of money at the problem and made it worse. If we want to encourage responsibility we have be bold enough to tackle these issues. We suspect some of those who refuse point-blank to seek work are working on the black market and claiming fraudulently.?
But a Labour source said: ?It is easy for rich Tories with big houses to have grown-up children at home while they find their feet. It?s different if you live in a tiny council flat and your daughter is a single mum.? Ministers said curbs on housing benefit for the under-25s, had helped slash the welfare bill in Germany and Holland

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Birdsgottafly · 24/06/2012 00:34

"How does HB teach anyone about responsibility?" It's money for nothing"

Only 20% of HB claimants are unemployed, try educating yourself.

Empusa · 24/06/2012 00:34

"No there isn't. People that work generally have to go to bed at a reasonable hour so they can get up in the morning. And they generally don't want to get in trouble with the law in case they lose their job over it, and because they have some kind of decency, something which more people on benefits seem to lack."

Hang on, this post is in two parts.

First part.

You absolute discriminatory twat.

EchoBitch · 24/06/2012 00:36

Dunno about the figures,%'s but the only people i know who get HB are all working.

Empusa · 24/06/2012 00:37

"No there isn't. People that work generally have to go to bed at a reasonable hour so they can get up in the morning. And they generally don't want to get in trouble with the law in case they lose their job over it, and because they have some kind of decency, something which more people on benefits seem to lack."

Second part.

  • Have you never heard of shift work?
  • Or part time work?
  • I used to know plenty of people who'd be out till 3-4am and still make it to work in the morning.
  • My previous lovely neighbours worked, it didn't stop them dealing drugs, having raucous parties that always ended up in a fight in the street, throwing glass bottles at the houses around them, using BB guns to shoot at other people's property
  • More people on benefits do not lack decency!
EchoBitch · 24/06/2012 00:37

I get tax credits....

I must be sorely lacking in decency then.

FLOG ME NOW.

Tressy · 24/06/2012 00:37

Of course, if you don't and cannot work or are in a low paying job you should be living on the streets instead of getting HB !!! dur

jellytotsandcolabottles · 24/06/2012 00:37

Empusa..... shouldn't you be in bed sleeping then? You have a job to get up for!

EchoBitch · 24/06/2012 00:38

BRING BACK THE STOCKS

Bloody underclass.

Birdsgottafly · 24/06/2012 00:38

www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/.../housing-benefit-under-25s

Then they only have shared houses tolook forward to

www.crisis.org.uk ? ... ? Our current priorities ? Housing benefit

How do you have your children for any access what so ever, when you share a room?

EchoBitch · 24/06/2012 00:39

I wouldn't think that's any of your business jellyflops.

noddyholder · 24/06/2012 00:40

Cameron is going all gus blazing now to make sure the old guard Tories know he is true blue Disgraceful policies fr a generation that are already marginalised in so many ways

xDivAx · 24/06/2012 00:40

josephine are you fucking kidding me?

I am 24 I have worked since I was 11 ( ok it was only a paper round but even still) then at 14 I got a Saturday job. At sixteen went into the big bad world of work as a cashier in a bank. I also moved out of my mums house just shy of my 17th birthday. I have always been responsible, occasionally went out on the lash, but was respectful of my neighbours when I came home. I am in a stable relationship with one child and I am now a SAHM, but am looking for work. Are you telling me that, if I needed to I shouldn't be able to claim any state welfare, and I should be expected to move back in with my mum, bringing my 16month old and OH in tow? Even after I have worked hard and paid taxes since I turned 16?

I think not! Don't be so bigoted! Ageism is discrimination too, if you are going to tar me just because of my age then I don't want to deal with morons like you.

Easy for the fat cat, middle aged Tories to pick on the younger generations ain't it?! I like them to come and live the lives of us normal folk for a week and see how much they like it! They wouldn't be pushing for half their policies if they had to live them!!!!

I do believe the people abusing the system need a damn hard lesson, but those people are not just under 25, you understand!?

CaringMum28 · 24/06/2012 00:41

Doubt anything will
Acktnslly
Happen. Shame, at
Least with lanwoue government things were actually implemented! Rather than press-released, disputed and died...

EchoBitch · 24/06/2012 00:43

Grin at CaringMum28

Bedtime.

kissingfrogs · 24/06/2012 00:44

Everyone is falling for the "welfare state" smokescreen that's being used to detract attention from the real issues of lack of decently paid jobs and lack of everything else I've already mentioned above.

You're being well and truely suckered into joining a benefit witch hunt to detract from the real reasons why so many under 25s aren't in work.

Birdsgottafly · 24/06/2012 00:44

Do me one favour, step out of your ivory tower (once it is a decent hour) and walk along a high street in any city.

You see all of them empty shops? Last year they used to have people working in them and in warehouses, delivery vans, this year all of those people are now claiming benefits.

They don't go out of a night any more, so pubs are closing, so all the staff are now claiming benefits.

Starting to picture build at all?

JosephineCD · 24/06/2012 00:44

I'm not a fat-cat or middle-aged. But I have little time for people who think working is an option. Far too many people in this country have no work ethic, and the government has to do something to reverse this. A life on benefits should not be option.

Birdsgottafly · 24/06/2012 00:46

That wasn't to any of the immediate previous posters.

scotsgirl23 · 24/06/2012 00:46

Some of these responses are absolutely horrible. I grew up on a (very rough) council estate, so I am well aware of the issues of young people aspiring to nothing more than a benefits lifestyle. Yes, it is a problem. But this isn't the solution. It's ridiculous.

The responses to the poster whose husband was abusive are bloody awful. There is nothing wrong, or feckless, with settling down, getting married and starting a family. Things go wrong - are you really saying that a woman and young children should what, starve? Move back in with her parents (if they will have them/have room?) Even working full time, unless she has very good earning potential, once childcare is factored in she would need to receive some benefits anyway. It may have escaped the attention of many people, but an awful lot of those who receive housing benefit are actually working.

I left home at 17. I didn't have a choice - I wasn't technically thrown out, but my mother was/is a toxic, abusive alcoholic, and I had got to the stage where I was quite literally falling apart. I was breaking down sobbing in school. By the time the school realised the sort of shit I was living with, I was over 16 so social services etc weren't interested. There wasn't massive violence, so the police weren't involved so I would doubtless fall through the proposed "exceptions". I was given a council flat - I was working but obviously only part time since I was still at school, so I was entitled to some housing benefit to top up. I wasn't and never have been feckless, lazy or scrounging. But I was in need.

Most of the posters here seem to think I should have stayed living like I was. Except I couldn't have - I genuinely don't think I would have survived another however many years at home. Getting out meant that I was able to go to university, get a good degree, and now have a good graduate job.

I dread to think where I would be if I had been forced to stay.

Empusa · 24/06/2012 00:48

Actually you'd probably like my ex-neighbours Josephine, they worked Mon-Fri so saved their violent, drug fuelled parties for the weekend! Very considerate of them! Good to see them proving that all people who work for a living have more "decency" than people on benefits Hmm

Birdsgottafly · 24/06/2012 00:48

"Far too many people in this country have no work ethic, and the government has to do something to reverse this."

Actually creating jobs, would be a start.

Tressy · 24/06/2012 00:48

Cameron really hates our children. The first thing he did was triple uni tuition fees and scrap ema in one fell swoop. It didn't really matter to those who weren't affected but it did to my family. Will cost my DC a fortune in future earnings. They got away with this so then hit other people who's voice the didn't value.

Empusa · 24/06/2012 00:49

BirdsGottaFly There's an industrial estate near where I live, it's depressing to drive through. Out of about 20 huge office blocks, only 2 are in use. The rest are boarded up. :(

jellytotsandcolabottles · 24/06/2012 00:50

scotsgirl 23.... thank you xx

Birdsgottafly · 24/06/2012 00:54

My DP is a Hackney driver, his takings have halved, people don't realise the knock on effect of a high street shop closing.

We are going back to the Specials and Ghost Town.

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