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So David Cameron (we are in it together) really wants to fuck up our children then!

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belleMarie · 23/06/2012 23:14

How can anyone be taken in by this muppet? whilst him, Sam (and her £1000 pound frocks) and kiddies eat good, sleep good, shit good - we're basically screwed?

His hate for the poor/have-not is staggering and apart from a a couple of grunts here and there, this man is unstoppable.

Cameron to axe housing benefits for feckless under 25s as he declares war on welfare culture
Prime Minister gives exclusive interview to the MAIL ON SUNDAY
Reveals housing benefit will be scrapped for under 25s, who'll be forced to live with their parents
Dole money will be stopped for those who refuse to find work
Mr Cameron shares his views on Euro2012, Jimmy Carr, and what really happened when he left his daughter in the pub

Radical new welfare cuts targeting feckless couples who have children and expect to live on state handouts will be proposed by David Cameron tomorrow.
His bold reforms could also lead to 380,000 people under 25 being stripped of housing benefits and forced to join the growing number of young adults who still live with their parents.
In a keynote speech likely to inflame tensions with his deputy Nick Clegg, the Prime Minister will call for a debate on the welfare state, focusing on reforms to ?working-age benefits?.

Among the ideas being considered by Mr Cameron are:
Scrapping most of the £1.8 billion in housing benefits paid to 380,000 under-25s, worth an average £90 a week, forcing them to support themselves or live with their parents.
Stopping the £70-a-week dole money for the unemployed who refuse to try hard to find work or produce a CV.
Forcing a hardcore of workshy claimants to do community work after two years on the dole ? or lose all their benefits.
Well-placed sources say Ministers are also taking a fresh look at plans to limit child benefit to a couple?s first three children, although Mr Cameron is not expected to address this issue directly tomorrow.
Speaking exclusively to The Mail on Sunday, Mr Cameron said: ?We are sending out strange signals on working, housing and fa8milies.?

He argued that some young people lived with their parents, worked hard, planned ahead and got nothing from the State, while others left home, made little effort to seek work and got a home paid for by the benefits system.

?A couple will say, ?We are engaged, we are both living with our parents, we are trying to save before we get married and have children and be good parents. But how does it make us feel, Mr Cameron, when we see someone who goes ahead, has the child, gets the council home, gets the help that isn?t available to us???
?One is trapped in a welfare system that discourages them from working, the other is doing the right thing and getting no help.?
Asked if he would take action against large families who were paid large sums in benefits, he replied:
?This is a difficult area but it is right to pose questions about it. At the moment the system encourages people not to work and have children, but we should help people to work AND have children.?
His plan to axe housing benefit for the under-25s will have exemptions for special cases, such as domestic violence, but he said: ?We are spending nearly £2 billion on housing benefit for under-25s ? a fortune. We need a bigger debate about welfare and what we expect of people. The system currently sends the signal you are better off not working, or working less.?
He also favours new curbs on the Jobseeker?s Allowance, demanding the unemployed do more to find work. He said: ?We aren?t even asking them, ?Have you got a CV ready to go?? ? A small minority of hardcore workshy, an estimated 5,000 to 10,000, could be forced to take part in community work if they fail or refuse to find work or training after two years.
The Prime Minister wants to show he is committed to radical policies, but his speech could exacerbate strains with Coalition partner Mr Clegg, whose Lib Dems oppose drastic welfare cuts.
It follows the row over plans to revive O-levels and will fuel rumours the Coalition could end long before the 2015 Election. ?As leader of a political party as well as running a Coalition it?s right sometimes to make a more broad-ranging speech,? said Mr Cameron.
A Government official said: ?Decent folk are fed up with the increasing abuse of the welfare system. Responsible people who work damned hard, often on low incomes, to support themselves, are sick and tired of seeing others do nothing and live off the state.
?Labour threw ever greater sums of money at the problem and made it worse. If we want to encourage responsibility we have be bold enough to tackle these issues. We suspect some of those who refuse point-blank to seek work are working on the black market and claiming fraudulently.?
But a Labour source said: ?It is easy for rich Tories with big houses to have grown-up children at home while they find their feet. It?s different if you live in a tiny council flat and your daughter is a single mum.? Ministers said curbs on housing benefit for the under-25s, had helped slash the welfare bill in Germany and Holland

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jellytotsandcolabottles · 24/06/2012 00:06

sorry not meant to have caps there ^

usualsuspect · 24/06/2012 00:07

I don't work with the disadvantaged as so many on MN seem to, I live on a council estate I don't know one Tory voter.

ilovesooty · 24/06/2012 00:07

Would they not have one from before they were in prison? Would they not have the opportunity to create one in prison? Would they not have the opportunity to create one before they turn up at the jobcentre?

Sometimes they have one from before they entered custody and sometimes create one in prison, but not usually. As for creating one before they turn up at the job centre, usually someone who's just been released from prison needs to sort out benefits, offender manager appointments and often accommodation before they move on to CV creation. Are they supposed to live on fresh air until they get a CV produced, often with no family support?

BonnieBumble · 24/06/2012 00:08

I think lots of people on this thread are living in a mc bubble.

It's not a case of just pulling together and getting on with it. In my own family I have relatives who have moved out from an early age due to family breakdown (not getting on with stepparents often being at the root of the problem). If they had been forced to live together I dread to think of the consequences. Sad. I'm not being dramatic but I think it could have even come to suicide in one case. No violence or abuse so not covered by Cameron's get-out-clause, just a complicated family and vulnerable young adult.

JosephineCD · 24/06/2012 00:08

You don't have to be a Tory voter to believe that there needs to be a clampdown on the benefits system.

usualsuspect · 24/06/2012 00:08

I funded plenty of you lot through university though, you know with my tax

scarlettsmummy2 · 24/06/2012 00:10

Those on low incomes wouldn't be the average tory voter I wouldn't imagine. That doesn't however mean that the tories policies are wrong, just that some people don't agree with them.

JosephineCD · 24/06/2012 00:11

Go around a council estate or low economic area and I guarantee you that most people would be strongly in favour of these reforms.

KarlosKKrinkelbeim · 24/06/2012 00:12

And since leaving university, I've paid more tax than I can bear to contemplate. Without being so wealthy that I'm content to see it pissed up the wall.

usualsuspect · 24/06/2012 00:12

I live on a council estate, I can assure you most people are not.

JosephineCD · 24/06/2012 00:13

Anyway, does the OP expect to be kicking her unemployed children out of the house at 18?

usualsuspect · 24/06/2012 00:13

That doesn't change the fact that my taxes helped to fund you through your no doubt free university place.

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KarlosKKrinkelbeim · 24/06/2012 00:16

So what, usual? Does that mean my income's yours to splash out on whatever you happen to think is a priority?
Even in this benighted country, it doesn't quite work like that.

scarlettsmummy2 · 24/06/2012 00:16

Usual- are you saying that housing benefit should be automatically available to all as soon as they turn eighteen, enabling them to live with fellow young people in a privately rented flat without having any other means of income other than their dole money? Because that is exactly what the current system is.

JosephineCD · 24/06/2012 00:17

I live on a council estate, I can assure you most people are not.
I don't believe you. I used to live on a council estate and we had PERSISTANT trouble with kids being given houses and just trashing them, having parties every night, drug dealers etc, for as long as they could get away with it. In some cases, years. The general feeling was that it was utter idiocy giving the kind of kids that get booted out by their parents (although in most cases this was a lie just to get the child a free house) a tenancy, when they just weren't interested in maintaining it and being a responsible householder.

If the council acted fasted in evicting troublesome tenants, maybe people wouldn't have got so pissed off. But the council are mostly middle-class PC typess as well, with the bigotry of low expectations towards working-class people, and the temerity to get annoyed with people who complained about rowdy neighbours.

usualsuspect · 24/06/2012 00:18

So I couldn't choose where my taxes were spent, so why the hell should you. you benefited from my tax didn't you?

My Ds will be in debt for years if he goes to university, were you?

So don't talk to me about fucking unfairness

JosephineCD · 24/06/2012 00:19

And it's basically why nobody wants to live on council estates unless they have no other choice. Because governments and councils use them as dumping grounds for social problems.

Empusa · 24/06/2012 00:20

"IME it's those who live in an MC bubble who are most easily convinced that there's no need for policies like this ... those at the sharp end know better."

Bollocks.

usualsuspect · 24/06/2012 00:20

Mnetters always used to live on council estates, they never live on them now,funny that

KarlosKKrinkelbeim · 24/06/2012 00:20

as it happens I was, usual. And I cleared it through my own hard work, as your ds will in due course.
Struggling to see the unfairness there, I'm afraid

BeetrootJuice · 24/06/2012 00:21

Not before time. I'll believe it when I see it though.
Why is it a problem - when I was growing up we got a job and supported ourselves. The academic types went to unversity. The dysfunctional families stayed together.
The country can no longer afford to support the workshy, or those people who believe they have a 'right' to have children, whether or not they can afford to provide for them.

usualsuspect · 24/06/2012 00:21

Read the council house envy threads on MN, then come and tell me no one wants to live in a council house

AnyoneForTennis · 24/06/2012 00:21

Clampdown?

Clampdown on the tax evaders and unscrupulous landlords!

montmartre · 24/06/2012 00:22

usual- do you begrudge that tax is used to educate people?
I personally believe that having a well educated populus is good for the whole of society. I have personally benefitted from having my tax spent on educating medical staff, teachers, solicitors, librarians, etc.

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