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So David Cameron (we are in it together) really wants to fuck up our children then!

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belleMarie · 23/06/2012 23:14

How can anyone be taken in by this muppet? whilst him, Sam (and her £1000 pound frocks) and kiddies eat good, sleep good, shit good - we're basically screwed?

His hate for the poor/have-not is staggering and apart from a a couple of grunts here and there, this man is unstoppable.

Cameron to axe housing benefits for feckless under 25s as he declares war on welfare culture
Prime Minister gives exclusive interview to the MAIL ON SUNDAY
Reveals housing benefit will be scrapped for under 25s, who'll be forced to live with their parents
Dole money will be stopped for those who refuse to find work
Mr Cameron shares his views on Euro2012, Jimmy Carr, and what really happened when he left his daughter in the pub

Radical new welfare cuts targeting feckless couples who have children and expect to live on state handouts will be proposed by David Cameron tomorrow.
His bold reforms could also lead to 380,000 people under 25 being stripped of housing benefits and forced to join the growing number of young adults who still live with their parents.
In a keynote speech likely to inflame tensions with his deputy Nick Clegg, the Prime Minister will call for a debate on the welfare state, focusing on reforms to ?working-age benefits?.

Among the ideas being considered by Mr Cameron are:
Scrapping most of the £1.8 billion in housing benefits paid to 380,000 under-25s, worth an average £90 a week, forcing them to support themselves or live with their parents.
Stopping the £70-a-week dole money for the unemployed who refuse to try hard to find work or produce a CV.
Forcing a hardcore of workshy claimants to do community work after two years on the dole ? or lose all their benefits.
Well-placed sources say Ministers are also taking a fresh look at plans to limit child benefit to a couple?s first three children, although Mr Cameron is not expected to address this issue directly tomorrow.
Speaking exclusively to The Mail on Sunday, Mr Cameron said: ?We are sending out strange signals on working, housing and fa8milies.?

He argued that some young people lived with their parents, worked hard, planned ahead and got nothing from the State, while others left home, made little effort to seek work and got a home paid for by the benefits system.

?A couple will say, ?We are engaged, we are both living with our parents, we are trying to save before we get married and have children and be good parents. But how does it make us feel, Mr Cameron, when we see someone who goes ahead, has the child, gets the council home, gets the help that isn?t available to us???
?One is trapped in a welfare system that discourages them from working, the other is doing the right thing and getting no help.?
Asked if he would take action against large families who were paid large sums in benefits, he replied:
?This is a difficult area but it is right to pose questions about it. At the moment the system encourages people not to work and have children, but we should help people to work AND have children.?
His plan to axe housing benefit for the under-25s will have exemptions for special cases, such as domestic violence, but he said: ?We are spending nearly £2 billion on housing benefit for under-25s ? a fortune. We need a bigger debate about welfare and what we expect of people. The system currently sends the signal you are better off not working, or working less.?
He also favours new curbs on the Jobseeker?s Allowance, demanding the unemployed do more to find work. He said: ?We aren?t even asking them, ?Have you got a CV ready to go?? ? A small minority of hardcore workshy, an estimated 5,000 to 10,000, could be forced to take part in community work if they fail or refuse to find work or training after two years.
The Prime Minister wants to show he is committed to radical policies, but his speech could exacerbate strains with Coalition partner Mr Clegg, whose Lib Dems oppose drastic welfare cuts.
It follows the row over plans to revive O-levels and will fuel rumours the Coalition could end long before the 2015 Election. ?As leader of a political party as well as running a Coalition it?s right sometimes to make a more broad-ranging speech,? said Mr Cameron.
A Government official said: ?Decent folk are fed up with the increasing abuse of the welfare system. Responsible people who work damned hard, often on low incomes, to support themselves, are sick and tired of seeing others do nothing and live off the state.
?Labour threw ever greater sums of money at the problem and made it worse. If we want to encourage responsibility we have be bold enough to tackle these issues. We suspect some of those who refuse point-blank to seek work are working on the black market and claiming fraudulently.?
But a Labour source said: ?It is easy for rich Tories with big houses to have grown-up children at home while they find their feet. It?s different if you live in a tiny council flat and your daughter is a single mum.? Ministers said curbs on housing benefit for the under-25s, had helped slash the welfare bill in Germany and Holland

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LucieMay · 23/06/2012 23:17

I don't understand the focus on the under 25s as opposed to older people? I already feel sorry for those a few years younger than me (I'm 32) who weren't lucky enough to get a secure job in the early 2000s when jobs were abundant. I see this is really going to make their situation in terms of finding a job and a home much easier Hmm

WorraLiberty · 23/06/2012 23:20

I think apart from the fact it's the Daily Mail...the key words there are 'Being considered'.

I would pay as much attention to anything that paper prints as I would to a gnat's fart.

At least wait until the 'ideas have been considered' and actually passed as facts before getting your knickers in a knot.

KarlosKKrinkelbeim · 23/06/2012 23:21

"shit good"?? Did I read that right? Are you privy to the bowel movements of the Cameron family? I think we should be told.

edam · 23/06/2012 23:29

Right, because every young person has a nice middle class Mummy and Daddy with a spare bedroom, an apple tree in the back garden and a springer spaniel called Charlie. Hmm WTF are people supposed to do if their parents are dead/in another country/unable or unwilling to house them/abusive? If you are 23 and working but then lose your job, are you supposed to move 'back' home, possibly leaving a city or town where there are job prospects for somewhere with far fewer?

JosephineCD · 23/06/2012 23:29

I don't see what is so wrong with what Cameron is saying. Under 25s should be living with their parents if they can't afford their own place. That's how it has worked for most of history, and still how it works in most of the world, including most of Europe.

FutTheShuckUp · 23/06/2012 23:32

I think people churning out kids in order to get housed SHOULD be addressed. Don't think that's hating the poor as much as not wasting billions of pounds on those who try to play the system

usualsuspect · 23/06/2012 23:33

When he makes all the council house tenants downsize if there children leave home, where exactly will the under 25s that have left home and then lose their jobs and homes go?

The man is clearly deluded.

Rollmops · 23/06/2012 23:33

YABU.
One only hopes he has enough courage to carry these reforms through.

usualsuspect · 23/06/2012 23:34

their *

KarlosKKrinkelbeim · 23/06/2012 23:35

I'm not sure the people this policy (if indeed it is policy) is intended to appeal to are the Home Counties middle-classes. it seems more aimed at those cited, who are on low incomes and see others who they perceive as less responsible getting help to live independently.
There must be provision for those whose families cannot or will not house them, however.

JosephineCD · 23/06/2012 23:37

What about people in poorer areas who are sick of under 25s being given their own place, paid for by everyone else, and then making their neighbours lives a misery?

Sarcalogos · 23/06/2012 23:37

Council housing needs to be reformed.

People 'churning out kids and refusing to work' obviously needs to be challenged.

But how dare he effectively remove the support of the welfare state for those under 25? Horrific ageism. Are people under 25 not ADULTS? Not citizens? Not voters? Bloody cheeck

SkipTheLightFanjango · 23/06/2012 23:38

If the parents are on benefits they will have a huge problem with this. I already know someone who had to send her son to live with his GP's as she had to downsize when he turned 18. They don't pay the parents housing for an over 18! Will they pay towards the rent for parents in these circumstances?

usualsuspect · 23/06/2012 23:39

What about people in poorer areas who are sick of privileged twats like Cameron that have no clue talking bollocks about them.

AgentProvocateur · 23/06/2012 23:39

I agree that people who refuse to even look for a job should get their dole stopped.

edam · 23/06/2012 23:40

good question, usualsuspect.

This government is so determined to bash the poor and ordinary people that when the welfare reform bill went through, they insisted on putting back in the clause that will penalise foster carers for having a 'spare' bedroom if they are in social housing. Even though a foster child MUST have a room of their own. Ministers know this will drive people out of fostering - they don't give a toss.

AThingInYourLife · 23/06/2012 23:40

Making parents financially responsible for their children until 25?

Um, no thanks.

edam · 23/06/2012 23:43

Josephine, are you claiming that everyone aged under 25 'makes their neighbours' lives a misery'?

If you accept that not every young person is an anti-social neighbour, then why are you punishing everyone for the misdeeds of one or two? And how will making people homeless help to tackle anti-social behaviour?

KarlosKKrinkelbeim · 23/06/2012 23:43

I think this policy will help to dispel the "out of touch" impression, usual suspect. Like the benefits cap, it's in tune with those who are currently struggling and feel their neighbours who they see as more feckless get an easy ride. Plus it'll get the Tory press back onside. Because the thing is, saying there are people out there taking the piss isn;t actually bollocks. It's not the whole story, but it isn't bollocks.

edam · 23/06/2012 23:44

I expect Cameron wants to stop everyone talking about the freeloading rich and their natty tax avoidance strategies, and get back to bashing the poor.

usualsuspect · 23/06/2012 23:44

You really fell for the Media spin didn't you

BonnieBumble · 23/06/2012 23:45

I thought that you were only entitled to jobseekers if you were actively seeking work. Hence the name. No change there then.

usualsuspect · 23/06/2012 23:46

When you see more homeless young people you can say well done Cameron.that showed the feckless fuckers

AThingInYourLife · 23/06/2012 23:47

Spot on, edam :o

cakeismysaviour · 23/06/2012 23:47

One of my friends was chucked out by his parents aged 18 because he told them he was gay. He had to claim housing benefit at first to be able to get a roof over his head.

How will future under 25's in similar positions manage? I suppose in David Cameron's world, they would be able to use their trust fund.....

Trouble with most politicians, is that they have never had to walk in the shoes of someone who is truely poor, and who has to struggle to get by and move forward. This shows in their words and actions. :(