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So David Cameron (we are in it together) really wants to fuck up our children then!

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belleMarie · 23/06/2012 23:14

How can anyone be taken in by this muppet? whilst him, Sam (and her £1000 pound frocks) and kiddies eat good, sleep good, shit good - we're basically screwed?

His hate for the poor/have-not is staggering and apart from a a couple of grunts here and there, this man is unstoppable.

Cameron to axe housing benefits for feckless under 25s as he declares war on welfare culture
Prime Minister gives exclusive interview to the MAIL ON SUNDAY
Reveals housing benefit will be scrapped for under 25s, who'll be forced to live with their parents
Dole money will be stopped for those who refuse to find work
Mr Cameron shares his views on Euro2012, Jimmy Carr, and what really happened when he left his daughter in the pub

Radical new welfare cuts targeting feckless couples who have children and expect to live on state handouts will be proposed by David Cameron tomorrow.
His bold reforms could also lead to 380,000 people under 25 being stripped of housing benefits and forced to join the growing number of young adults who still live with their parents.
In a keynote speech likely to inflame tensions with his deputy Nick Clegg, the Prime Minister will call for a debate on the welfare state, focusing on reforms to ?working-age benefits?.

Among the ideas being considered by Mr Cameron are:
Scrapping most of the £1.8 billion in housing benefits paid to 380,000 under-25s, worth an average £90 a week, forcing them to support themselves or live with their parents.
Stopping the £70-a-week dole money for the unemployed who refuse to try hard to find work or produce a CV.
Forcing a hardcore of workshy claimants to do community work after two years on the dole ? or lose all their benefits.
Well-placed sources say Ministers are also taking a fresh look at plans to limit child benefit to a couple?s first three children, although Mr Cameron is not expected to address this issue directly tomorrow.
Speaking exclusively to The Mail on Sunday, Mr Cameron said: ?We are sending out strange signals on working, housing and fa8milies.?

He argued that some young people lived with their parents, worked hard, planned ahead and got nothing from the State, while others left home, made little effort to seek work and got a home paid for by the benefits system.

?A couple will say, ?We are engaged, we are both living with our parents, we are trying to save before we get married and have children and be good parents. But how does it make us feel, Mr Cameron, when we see someone who goes ahead, has the child, gets the council home, gets the help that isn?t available to us???
?One is trapped in a welfare system that discourages them from working, the other is doing the right thing and getting no help.?
Asked if he would take action against large families who were paid large sums in benefits, he replied:
?This is a difficult area but it is right to pose questions about it. At the moment the system encourages people not to work and have children, but we should help people to work AND have children.?
His plan to axe housing benefit for the under-25s will have exemptions for special cases, such as domestic violence, but he said: ?We are spending nearly £2 billion on housing benefit for under-25s ? a fortune. We need a bigger debate about welfare and what we expect of people. The system currently sends the signal you are better off not working, or working less.?
He also favours new curbs on the Jobseeker?s Allowance, demanding the unemployed do more to find work. He said: ?We aren?t even asking them, ?Have you got a CV ready to go?? ? A small minority of hardcore workshy, an estimated 5,000 to 10,000, could be forced to take part in community work if they fail or refuse to find work or training after two years.
The Prime Minister wants to show he is committed to radical policies, but his speech could exacerbate strains with Coalition partner Mr Clegg, whose Lib Dems oppose drastic welfare cuts.
It follows the row over plans to revive O-levels and will fuel rumours the Coalition could end long before the 2015 Election. ?As leader of a political party as well as running a Coalition it?s right sometimes to make a more broad-ranging speech,? said Mr Cameron.
A Government official said: ?Decent folk are fed up with the increasing abuse of the welfare system. Responsible people who work damned hard, often on low incomes, to support themselves, are sick and tired of seeing others do nothing and live off the state.
?Labour threw ever greater sums of money at the problem and made it worse. If we want to encourage responsibility we have be bold enough to tackle these issues. We suspect some of those who refuse point-blank to seek work are working on the black market and claiming fraudulently.?
But a Labour source said: ?It is easy for rich Tories with big houses to have grown-up children at home while they find their feet. It?s different if you live in a tiny council flat and your daughter is a single mum.? Ministers said curbs on housing benefit for the under-25s, had helped slash the welfare bill in Germany and Holland

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KarlosKKrinkelbeim · 23/06/2012 23:49

Au contraire, my views are based on personal experience.
My fomer clientele were drawn almost exclusively from the group of people this policy seems aimed at. not that they ever paid my bills themselves, of course.

scarlettsmummy2 · 23/06/2012 23:50

I think what he is proposing is perfectly reasonable unless there is a very good reason why the young person can not stay with their parents. Why should you automatically at 18 get housing benefit to move out?? Total nonsense and unsustainable. Think what a difference that money could make to vital services like the NHS. Get real.

jellytotsandcolabottles · 23/06/2012 23:50

I am under 25 with 3 kids.... I best warn my mum and dad now then!
I was/am married, the twat ran out on me for some old bag, should I lose my benefits cause I am unable to work and look after my kids?
I didnt churn them out either, ex had a full time good paid job and I had my own business.

BonnieBumble · 23/06/2012 23:52

But what about people who live with parents who clearly don't want them there?

usualsuspect · 23/06/2012 23:54

They don't exsist bonnie, everyone lives in a nice MC bubble

JosephineCD · 23/06/2012 23:55

How do people cope in other countries? There doesn't seem to be widespread youth homelessness in Ireland, or Spain, or any other country that doesn't fork out for NEETs to have their own place when they feel like it.

Families will just have to learn to get on with each other. And young people will just have to focus themselves a bit more to make themselves employable, instead of treating school as a joke.

ilovesooty · 23/06/2012 23:55

He said: ?We aren?t even asking them, ?Have you got a CV ready to go?"

I've had several clients in the past month who have been told at the job centre to produce a CV within the week or lose their benefits.

usualsuspect · 23/06/2012 23:56

You are funny Josephine

Sarcalogos · 23/06/2012 23:56

I thought you only got it at 18 if you were 'homeless' anyway? That you had to declare you don't have a home.

Ok, so what will change? It will save the state a potential 7 years of benefit I guess.

But they will have to keep paying more benefit to the parents in the situation.

So what changes? In effect? Just the Freedom ad dignity of a particular group of adults.

You can't give all the responsibilities of adulthood to an 18 year old and refuse the rights.

scarlettsmummy2 · 23/06/2012 23:56

They stay there until they get a job to pay their rent! If they are actually homeless and their parents throw them out the council will have to house them. But hb shouldn't be paid out automatically so young people can set up a party flat funded by the tax payer.

cakeismysaviour · 23/06/2012 23:56

I wouldn't even call someone of say 23 or 24 a 'young person'. They are an adult.

If they were saying age 21, then I would personally still be against it, but at least it would be a but more realistic for real people to actually be able to live on.

JosephineCD · 23/06/2012 23:56

They don't exsist bonnie, everyone lives in a nice MC bubble
It's the people that live in a nice MC bubble that will be opposed to these reforms, Guardian readers and the like. Normal hard-working people that actually have to live with the consequences of Labour's insane social experiments will welcome it. And that is why Cameron is doing it.

KarlosKKrinkelbeim · 23/06/2012 23:56

IME it's those who live in an MC bubble who are most easily convinced that there's no need for policies like this ... those at the sharp end know better.

Snorbs · 23/06/2012 23:57

I would imagine they're targeting the under 25s because they're less likely to vote Tory in the first place.

JosephineCD · 23/06/2012 23:58

He said: ?We aren?t even asking them, ?Have you got a CV ready to go?" I've had several clients in the past month who have been told at the job centre to produce a CV within the week or lose their benefits.
They should lose their benefits on the spot! What kind of adult doesn't have a CV? If you are unemployed it should be the first thing you do!

MumOfMillie · 23/06/2012 23:58

I am under 25 with 3 kids... benefits...

Hmm

I think that's the sort of thing DC is looking at cracking down on.

usualsuspect · 23/06/2012 23:59

No the MC bubble dwellers fund their little darlings through the university party houses.

usualsuspect · 23/06/2012 23:59

Then they buy them a lovely little flat.

ilovesooty · 24/06/2012 00:00

What kind of adult doesn't have a CV?

One who's just been released from prison.

kissingfrogs · 24/06/2012 00:03

Again the phrase "trapped in the welfare system" rather than "trapped by lack of decently paid jobs, lack of affordable childcare, lack of making absent fathers pay maintenance, lack of affordable housing...etc etc"

JosephineCD · 24/06/2012 00:03

^What kind of adult doesn't have a CV?
One who's just been released from prison.^
Would they not have one from before they were in prison? Would they not have the opportunity to create one in prison? Would they not have the opportunity to create one before they turn up at the jobcentre?

jellytotsandcolabottles · 24/06/2012 00:03

I was working up until last baby in retail and after last baby... had MY OWN BUSINESS WHEN I WAS WITH EX. EX WALKED OUT ON ME, AND LEFT ME WITH NO MONEY, NO MAINTENANCE FOR KIDS... I MARRIED HIM THINKING HE WAS THE ONE FOR ME TILL HE WALKED OUT ON THE KIDS AND I FOR SOME OLD TROLLOP AFTER BEATING ME FOR 3 YEARS.
So, please explain? am I mean't to leave my children in childcare and work every hour god sends while their father lives it up god knows where?

KarlosKKrinkelbeim · 24/06/2012 00:03

I've a feeling your defintion of middle class and mine don't coincide, usualsuspect. I wouldn't call someone who's able to afford a "university party house" middle class. I'd call them rich. And IME such people are more capable than most of coming out with the usual " Tories are evil of course we must all pay more taxes because we can all afford it can't we" blinkered idiocy.

JosephineCD · 24/06/2012 00:04

And IME such people are more capable than most of coming out with the usual " Tories are evil of course we must all pay more taxes because we can all afford it can't we" blinkered idiocy.
Yes, but a lot of them would say that, and then use tax avoidance schemes. What they mean is, that normal people must pay more taxes.

scarlettsmummy2 · 24/06/2012 00:05

That's fine as the tax payer isn't funding students to party or even for their rent for that matter. (which is actually a good point- students don't get their rent paid and have to take a loan, so is it fair for school leavers who choose not to go into education go automatically into the benefits system and get their rent paid??? Which is fairer?)

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