So David Cameron (we are in it together) really wants to fuck up our children then!

[belleMarie]

How can anyone be taken in by this muppet? whilst him, Sam (and her £1000 pound frocks) and kiddies eat good, sleep good, shit good - we're basically screwed?

His hate for the poor/have-not is staggering and apart from a a couple of grunts here and there, this man is unstoppable.

Cameron to axe housing benefits for feckless under 25s as he declares war on welfare culture
Prime Minister gives exclusive interview to the MAIL ON SUNDAY
Reveals housing benefit will be scrapped for under 25s, who'll be forced to live with their parents
Dole money will be stopped for those who refuse to find work
Mr Cameron shares his views on Euro2012, Jimmy Carr, and what really happened when he left his daughter in the pub

Radical new welfare cuts targeting feckless couples who have children and expect to live on state handouts will be proposed by David Cameron tomorrow.
His bold reforms could also lead to 380,000 people under 25 being stripped of housing benefits and forced to join the growing number of young adults who still live with their parents.
In a keynote speech likely to inflame tensions with his deputy Nick Clegg, the Prime Minister will call for a debate on the welfare state, focusing on reforms to ?working-age benefits?.

Among the ideas being considered by Mr Cameron are:
Scrapping most of the £1.8 billion in housing benefits paid to 380,000 under-25s, worth an average £90 a week, forcing them to support themselves or live with their parents.
Stopping the £70-a-week dole money for the unemployed who refuse to try hard to find work or produce a CV.
Forcing a hardcore of workshy claimants to do community work after two years on the dole ? or lose all their benefits.
Well-placed sources say Ministers are also taking a fresh look at plans to limit child benefit to a couple?s first three children, although Mr Cameron is not expected to address this issue directly tomorrow.
Speaking exclusively to The Mail on Sunday, Mr Cameron said: ?We are sending out strange signals on working, housing and fa8milies.?

He argued that some young people lived with their parents, worked hard, planned ahead and got nothing from the State, while others left home, made little effort to seek work and got a home paid for by the benefits system.

?A couple will say, ?We are engaged, we are both living with our parents, we are trying to save before we get married and have children and be good parents. But how does it make us feel, Mr Cameron, when we see someone who goes ahead, has the child, gets the council home, gets the help that isn?t available to us???
?One is trapped in a welfare system that discourages them from working, the other is doing the right thing and getting no help.?
Asked if he would take action against large families who were paid large sums in benefits, he replied:
?This is a difficult area but it is right to pose questions about it. At the moment the system encourages people not to work and have children, but we should help people to work AND have children.?
His plan to axe housing benefit for the under-25s will have exemptions for special cases, such as domestic violence, but he said: ?We are spending nearly £2 billion on housing benefit for under-25s ? a fortune. We need a bigger debate about welfare and what we expect of people. The system currently sends the signal you are better off not working, or working less.?
He also favours new curbs on the Jobseeker?s Allowance, demanding the unemployed do more to find work. He said: ?We aren?t even asking them, ?Have you got a CV ready to go?? ? A small minority of hardcore workshy, an estimated 5,000 to 10,000, could be forced to take part in community work if they fail or refuse to find work or training after two years.
The Prime Minister wants to show he is committed to radical policies, but his speech could exacerbate strains with Coalition partner Mr Clegg, whose Lib Dems oppose drastic welfare cuts.
It follows the row over plans to revive O-levels and will fuel rumours the Coalition could end long before the 2015 Election. ?As leader of a political party as well as running a Coalition it?s right sometimes to make a more broad-ranging speech,? said Mr Cameron.
A Government official said: ?Decent folk are fed up with the increasing abuse of the welfare system. Responsible people who work damned hard, often on low incomes, to support themselves, are sick and tired of seeing others do nothing and live off the state.
?Labour threw ever greater sums of money at the problem and made it worse. If we want to encourage responsibility we have be bold enough to tackle these issues. We suspect some of those who refuse point-blank to seek work are working on the black market and claiming fraudulently.?
But a Labour source said: ?It is easy for rich Tories with big houses to have grown-up children at home while they find their feet. It?s different if you live in a tiny council flat and your daughter is a single mum.? Ministers said curbs on housing benefit for the under-25s, had helped slash the welfare bill in Germany and Holland

Mr CaMORON is a bully, he is picking on people he thinks are too stupid to defend themselves, because obviously if your not rich you must be stupid!!! after all we can't all be clever enough to be born into money and never do an honest days work (sounds like a scrounger to me) . I hope all this reform comes back and bites the arse of the twats who voted this knob in.

I just want to add that though I think the benefits system needs an overhaul it doesn't mean I agree with Cameron's proposals.

If parents refuse to allow their adult children to live at home and this happens a lot including in my own family. What will happen to the young adults? Are the government planning on building lots of hostels to cater for everyone?

lst you didnt offend me in the slightest it was the comment that yoyo made calling you entitled (obviously in a negative way) and saying you cant concider yourself to be skint because you BLOW YOUR MONEY ON FUCKING BABY FORMULA

thats a disgusting offensive nasty comment designed to do nothing other than offend.

i have no problem with anyone who has a differing opinun to me but i do have issues with anybody who critisises another human being for feeding her baby

And cats

I'm not declaring poverty I really aren't. I'm skint yes. But I have a job which is lucky enough.

18-21 on HB whilst in FE, went to uni, got full time job.

I'm ashamed to admit that I use to think like Yoyo. I also voted tory.

I was born to a 17 yo single mother. My 'father' was nowhere to be seen and we lived with my grandparents until I was 3. My mother got a council house and trained as a nurse. She threw me out when I was 18. I lived for 3 months in a borrowed tent but I got my A levels, went to university and now have a professional career, lovely home and my children are secure. I no longer have any contact with any of my family.

See, I used to think that if I could do it, anyone could do it - surely you just get up and shake yourself off and do what I did?

Well no because firstly, not everyone can get themselves the right qualifications for a well paid job- not because they can't or won't work hard but because they aren't academic in the traditional sense (and they would be able to get better paid jobs if only there were apprenticeships).

Or people don't get good advice from parents or school (or have the inner strength that I evidently had). And secondly, university is now an expensive option (though that's a whole other thread, where you'd find me ranting about devaluation of degrees generally) - and what's the incentive when there are no jobs at the end of it?

When I graduated, I had a choice of jobs; these days graduates in my profession are largely unemployed.

And then there's the cost of housing - we bought our first property for £46k and our current home is worth £600k. We were lucky - we worked incredibly hard and were 'responsible' but we didn't earn or deserve that in any special way and it was an enormous advantage over the younger generation. At one point we took some equity out and spent a year abroad - what a privilege.

Don't get me wrong, I think the 'baby boomer' generation had it much easier than I did (I had student loans and we couldn't claim HB) but I honestly despair as I look around me and I see elderly neighbours with attitudes like those of Yoyo , sitting in 5 bed houses, counting their money and tending their rose bushes. I have changed my opinion that it is possible to 'do as I did' 20 years ago and I have learnt much through reading other people's views on MN. Yoyo, you ought to learn some humility and accept that not everyone today is as fortunate as we might have been.

The thing is, the current situation allows parents to not feel they are deserting their children if they kick them out of the house, because they know the state is there to support them.

Scheherezade, could you not have got a PT job to support yourself through FE?

And you'd really kill yourself and your child rather than live with your parent for a month?

i know you do i clocked it several pages ago. i also didnt need to clock that a huge amount of hb claiments work i already knew that but some people on this thread have been talking to others as tho they are benith them i just thought the baby milk and cats comment was seriously oversteping anything even remotely constructive and was damn nasty

keep up josephine her parents are child abusers, i expect she means would rather die than put her parents in a possition where they could abuse her little one

Its easy to 'just' get a PT job too d'oncha no

I wonder how easy it is nowadays as a student? When I was a student I worked in temp jobs, pubs, for the water board, Marks and Spencer etc. I invested £150 to 'train' as a nursing assistant which allowed me to work around my studies (nights, weekends etc). I wiped a LOT of bottoms for four years but it contributed to the rent.

Can students get jobs like those now? I honestly don't know but local sixth formers work in local cafes so perhaps they can in this neck of the woods and not others.

Josephine, PT wages don't cover food, rent, bills. How was I supposed to work PT when studying 8-5, plus time for homework? (Not to mention time to cook, eat, wash).

Yes. You're lucky to not have had the childhood I did. But there's not a chance I'd expose DS, or myself, to that again. At 13 I was locked up for days without food or water because my 'father' thought I was evil (he is middle eastern). Plus much worse.

Thank god we have social services and Shelter.

You were studying A-levels from 8-5, 5 days a week, plus homework?

I agree with you socknickingpixie. The contempt that yoyo holds for other human beings is, quite frankly, disgusting.

yoyo you wouldn't know the real world if it smacks you in the face, the majority of people, are not, and probably never will be, as fortunate as you.

That doesn't mean that we don't work damned hard the pittance that we get.

I'm hearing you, Scheherezade.

Even with a p/t job you would still need HB to cover the rent.

• for the pittance that we get

Yes, Josephine. Apart from Wednesday afternoons, which I did charity work. And my PTSD appointments.

So you're saying 16yo should be forced to live with the people that abused them, even if they wanted to work hard to better themselves, get a job and become decent members of society, despite having no control over the creatures that led to their existence?

I didn't ask to be born. I didn't want the childhood I had. But with the opportunity I was given by a charity (betting you've never worked for the good of others for free) I worked hard to improve my life, and be self sufficient.

scheherezade in josephines defence im pretty sure that several pages ago she did say that those who had been abused by parents should not be forced to go back to them, at least i think she did its all got a bit to much for me now lol.

Tbh socknick this thread has really upset me..

Don't let it get to you Scheherezade. Unfortunately there seem to be a few people who lack any hint of empathy and can't or won't understand t hat not everybody has the same choices available to them

Hearing you too, Scheherezade.

Really, there are a number of (the same old, same old) posters on MN who crop up with unfailing regularity with their Empathy Lite rhetoric, almost like they're testing the waters....

Very interesting input bistokids. It is often easy for those who have "pulled themselves up by their bootstraps" to say all others can do the same.
I think you are a rare person to be able to see the other side like that.

The thing is, every single person is different, has different skills, strengths, weaknesses.
I have seen my self through some hard times also, but I was lucky enough to have good friends, siblings etc.

I had a friend at school who was thrown out by his parents for being gay. He worked part time as an usher, went to art college, and is now quite a well known artist.
He couldn't have done that without housing benefit. He would most likely have ended up on the streets-not a nice fate for a pretty young boy.

It makes me roll my eyes when people say "just get a part time job"
I was desperate for work recently. I went to every department store, supermarket-you name it.
No-one was hiring. The check out people in my local supermarket are complaining to me that the management wont hire extra staff, even though they are swamped, and the queues are long all the time.
Now, I am a fairly well presented, articulate person,with lots of retail experience who generally can talk my way into anything. If I couldn't get work, how easy is it going to be a for a shy, inexperienced 18 year old?

(I did find a job eventually, and not in a supermarket, but my point is I don't think its beneath me-I would have done anything I could feasibly do as a single parent who cant work nights)