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So David Cameron (we are in it together) really wants to fuck up our children then!

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belleMarie · 23/06/2012 23:14

How can anyone be taken in by this muppet? whilst him, Sam (and her £1000 pound frocks) and kiddies eat good, sleep good, shit good - we're basically screwed?

His hate for the poor/have-not is staggering and apart from a a couple of grunts here and there, this man is unstoppable.

Cameron to axe housing benefits for feckless under 25s as he declares war on welfare culture
Prime Minister gives exclusive interview to the MAIL ON SUNDAY
Reveals housing benefit will be scrapped for under 25s, who'll be forced to live with their parents
Dole money will be stopped for those who refuse to find work
Mr Cameron shares his views on Euro2012, Jimmy Carr, and what really happened when he left his daughter in the pub

Radical new welfare cuts targeting feckless couples who have children and expect to live on state handouts will be proposed by David Cameron tomorrow.
His bold reforms could also lead to 380,000 people under 25 being stripped of housing benefits and forced to join the growing number of young adults who still live with their parents.
In a keynote speech likely to inflame tensions with his deputy Nick Clegg, the Prime Minister will call for a debate on the welfare state, focusing on reforms to ?working-age benefits?.

Among the ideas being considered by Mr Cameron are:
Scrapping most of the £1.8 billion in housing benefits paid to 380,000 under-25s, worth an average £90 a week, forcing them to support themselves or live with their parents.
Stopping the £70-a-week dole money for the unemployed who refuse to try hard to find work or produce a CV.
Forcing a hardcore of workshy claimants to do community work after two years on the dole ? or lose all their benefits.
Well-placed sources say Ministers are also taking a fresh look at plans to limit child benefit to a couple?s first three children, although Mr Cameron is not expected to address this issue directly tomorrow.
Speaking exclusively to The Mail on Sunday, Mr Cameron said: ?We are sending out strange signals on working, housing and fa8milies.?

He argued that some young people lived with their parents, worked hard, planned ahead and got nothing from the State, while others left home, made little effort to seek work and got a home paid for by the benefits system.

?A couple will say, ?We are engaged, we are both living with our parents, we are trying to save before we get married and have children and be good parents. But how does it make us feel, Mr Cameron, when we see someone who goes ahead, has the child, gets the council home, gets the help that isn?t available to us???
?One is trapped in a welfare system that discourages them from working, the other is doing the right thing and getting no help.?
Asked if he would take action against large families who were paid large sums in benefits, he replied:
?This is a difficult area but it is right to pose questions about it. At the moment the system encourages people not to work and have children, but we should help people to work AND have children.?
His plan to axe housing benefit for the under-25s will have exemptions for special cases, such as domestic violence, but he said: ?We are spending nearly £2 billion on housing benefit for under-25s ? a fortune. We need a bigger debate about welfare and what we expect of people. The system currently sends the signal you are better off not working, or working less.?
He also favours new curbs on the Jobseeker?s Allowance, demanding the unemployed do more to find work. He said: ?We aren?t even asking them, ?Have you got a CV ready to go?? ? A small minority of hardcore workshy, an estimated 5,000 to 10,000, could be forced to take part in community work if they fail or refuse to find work or training after two years.
The Prime Minister wants to show he is committed to radical policies, but his speech could exacerbate strains with Coalition partner Mr Clegg, whose Lib Dems oppose drastic welfare cuts.
It follows the row over plans to revive O-levels and will fuel rumours the Coalition could end long before the 2015 Election. ?As leader of a political party as well as running a Coalition it?s right sometimes to make a more broad-ranging speech,? said Mr Cameron.
A Government official said: ?Decent folk are fed up with the increasing abuse of the welfare system. Responsible people who work damned hard, often on low incomes, to support themselves, are sick and tired of seeing others do nothing and live off the state.
?Labour threw ever greater sums of money at the problem and made it worse. If we want to encourage responsibility we have be bold enough to tackle these issues. We suspect some of those who refuse point-blank to seek work are working on the black market and claiming fraudulently.?
But a Labour source said: ?It is easy for rich Tories with big houses to have grown-up children at home while they find their feet. It?s different if you live in a tiny council flat and your daughter is a single mum.? Ministers said curbs on housing benefit for the under-25s, had helped slash the welfare bill in Germany and Holland

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Socknickingpixie · 26/06/2012 20:42

yoyo thats actually incredibly offensive. your being very rude and its unacceptable

YoYoYoItsTillyMinto · 26/06/2012 20:43

You are able bodied. You could save and plan for you own future. You dont and you expect others to provide for you.

This is really unrealistic. Its really sad that this way of thinking has occurred because its not sustainable and the change is going to be tough.

TalkinPeace2 · 26/06/2012 20:44

This is getting petty and personal and ceasing to be constructive.

The problem is that house price/rent inflation has massively outstripped wage inflation over the last 30 years.
www.housepricecrash.co.uk/graphs-ftb-average-house-price-to-earnings-ratio.php
My parents' starter home, straight out of University (aged under 25) was one of these
www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-33230077.html
not many nurses / teachers / unqualified accountants or junior lawyers could afford it nowadays.

So they either bunk up in unsavoury HMOs (not good if they are rash enough to want to get married or have children) or claim Housing Benefit

When we left university in the 1980's we were not forced to move back home while we had our starter jobs.
Why should our children?

YoYoYoItsTillyMinto · 26/06/2012 20:45

Socks lst has sworn at me several times
if she can dish it out she can take a little analysis.

You cam pretend this way of living is going to continue, but I wouldn't.

YoYoYoItsTillyMinto · 26/06/2012 20:48

Talkin I am much younger than that and everyone I know shared for years or lived with parents, even if it was not what they wanted.

LST · 26/06/2012 20:48

YoYo
A) I'm not able bodied at all. I was diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis when I was 16 yo. I do not claim DLA as there are people worse off than me. Even though I could and would be able to receive it.
B) Trying to save but at the moment living hand to mouth is proving tough.
C) I don't expect anything. But I'd like to know if I ever loose my job or I have a flare up I won't be kicked out on the streets due to me being 21.

LST · 26/06/2012 20:50

I'm swearing at you YoYo as you are quite honestly making me shake with anger as you are still so far up your own arse

LST · 26/06/2012 20:50

And I'm 22 not 21
Blush

MrsHelsBels74 · 26/06/2012 20:55

Haven't read the whole thread I'm afraid but I don't see what's wrong with stopping job seekers allowance with people who refuse to look for work?

The benefits system needs a complete overhaul in my opinion but any changes won't be popular.

JosephineCD · 26/06/2012 20:55

When we left university in the 1980's we were not forced to move back home while we had our starter jobs. Why should our children?
Because the economy is different today. Lots more people are going to university, degrees are worth less. It's a lot more that you were lucky than your children are unlucky.

NowThenWreck · 26/06/2012 20:58

Here is my proposal:
Yoyoyo, Josephine, and all those like them can have an island. Say,one of the tinier and more windswept Western Isles (hear me out Scots people)...
They can set up their own society there, looking after their own.
When one of them falls ill, or gets depression, or is abandoned by a spouse, or finds they can't quite keep up, for whatever reason, the other islanders simply club them over the head and roll them into the sea.
The rest of us can continue to live as human beings.

carernotasaint · 26/06/2012 20:59

Hels Bels perhaps you should read the thread before posting. But perhaps you dont want to read anything that bursts that comfy bubble of scrounger rhetoric.

YoYoYoItsTillyMinto · 26/06/2012 21:00

You said you work ft. Dp has bad chrones, my df was paralysed like Stephen Hawkins.

they get/got v little support from other than family/friends.

the state support was no where. So if we cannot look after people who have worked all there lives, decades, we cannot look after this who dont contribute.

twofingerstoGideon · 26/06/2012 21:00

Lucky you, Josephine. A weekly bus pass costs over £18 in my town off peak. Travelling further for interviews etc would cost considerably more and would be more or less an essential cost given the lack of local opportunities.

Socknickingpixie · 26/06/2012 21:01

yoyo lst may very well have done but what you are doing is not analysis its very offensive and not just to her.

im actually offended by the whole cat and baby milk thing.

carernotasaint · 26/06/2012 21:03

forum.carersuk.org/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=19399

LST · 26/06/2012 21:04

I'm sorry if I've e offended you socks

YoYo You sound like a horrible human being to be able to wish people on the streets rather than help them for a few months and allow them to get back on their feet.

carernotasaint · 26/06/2012 21:05

Ive linked the discussion involving the young lad inder 25 who is working 12 hours a week but has to be beholden to be available to the employer ALL week. Its the 4th post down by Lazydaisy.

LST · 26/06/2012 21:06

And FYI YoYo my dear nan has had no help from the state either as she has a good widows pention. But if she was in sound mind she wouldn't begrudge people in need help.

Scheherezade · 26/06/2012 21:07

Josephine, please explain to me what you would expect to happen in my situation. Because if anyone tried to force me to live with either parent (given I had been in foster care when young, but was too old at 17, to be back in care) I would have seriously killed myself.

I wonder what the future is for the charity that cared for me aged 17-21. Without them I wouldn't have my a-levels (AAA), my 2:1 degree. I would be dead. Even now if you asked me to choose between death, or 8 years of misery. I'd rather die than be forced to face my 'parents'. It's easy for someone who hasn't been abused to think a mother and father are there to care for their kids.

twofingerstoGideon · 26/06/2012 21:09

You are able bodied. You could save and plan for you own future. You dont and you expect others to provide for you.

This is really unrealistic. Its really sad that this way of thinking has occurred because its not sustainable and the change is going to be tough.

YOU are unrealistic if you think people can save and plan when they're surviving on NMW. This way of thinking has 'occurred' because many people do not earn enough to support a basic standard of living.

I don't expect anyone to provide for me. I work and have always worked, but would never be able to (a) save or (b) support or subsidise an adult child. Wealth inequality is a major problem in this country. My father could provide for a family of four on factory wages and pay a mortgage. That would be impossible now. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer and the blindly ignorant get increasingly more blinkered

Scheherezade · 26/06/2012 21:09

Oh, and after getting my degree I got a full time job, paying tax and everything.

MrsHelsBels74 · 26/06/2012 21:13

Exactly where did I call anyone a scrounger? I'm glad we live in a country where welfare is available for those who need it, I get child benefit & tax credits myself.

But the system is flawed & needs an overhaul. I can see there is no incentive to get a job when you would be worse off than on benefits & this, to me, is wrong. Sorry if that offends but it's how I feel.

Scheherezade · 26/06/2012 21:14

/complaining

Right now, if you said I could face a full, healthy and prosperous life with my gorgeous, darling 9mo DS, if we lived with either parent for a month, I would rather take my own, and DS's life. (Am now SAHM, DP works full time, we get no benefits).

Cheers Cameron.

Scheherezade · 26/06/2012 21:19
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