to move my child to another school because of PJ wearing parents and other things.....

[fiftieslover]

Hi there, your views would be appreciated.

My ds is currently in yr 3 (8 yrs old) he is in a mixed class of years 3 and 4. Since Christmas I have had really serious doubts about the school he is in.

He has asked to move schools a couple of times in the past 6 months and I am seriously considering it. BUT I know at 8 this is a massive change for him. He is a social little boy who makes friends easily and can articulate his thoughts really well. The issues I have with the school are as follows.

1. Parents dropping their children off still wearing their PJs. I not talking lounge wear here, I'm talking fullish sheep adorned pink things. I turn up at school dressed for work, smart and ready for the day.

1. Leading on from 1 is the reason for the PJ wearing. There is a very high number of unemployed parents in the school. I live in a nice part of not a very nice area IYKWIM. Unemployment has always been a problem. I have lived in this area for over 30 years and alot of the children in ds class are 4th and 5th generation unemployed. So I assume the pj wearing is because they have nothing to get ready for? I need to add that sometimes the children are picked up from school at 3pm with said parents still adorning the sheep attire.

I have never been unemployed so struggle to empathise really with the other parents. I work in recruitment and know there are always things you can do to improve your chances but I have never been there so know I dont fully understand the effect unemployment has on you.

1. There are ALOT of kids in the class that are morphing into absolute horrors. The behaviour is getting worse as each school year passes. Once lovely little 4 year olds are now 8 year old swearing, disrespectful kids. My ds went over to one of them the other day to show him his homework. The other kid looked at my ds as if he were stupid and said I dont do homework - I wouldnt dare!.

1. I'm aware this is getting long so going to cut it short. The teachers appear to spend alot of time on discipline - taking actual teaching time away from the good kids.

1. In the past out of 26 kids, there are approximately 8 that behave really well. If the other 18 are playing up, the whole class has been punished. This really annoyed me.

I could go on and I think I have answered my own question seeing it in black and white but would still appreciate your comments.

Thanks fifties x

Recall, I bet you self edit in real life more than you do on the net. A lot of people lose there filters when posting on forums. That's when their ugly comes out.

us..

You just so up your self tbh.

It makes no sense! I have a little brother and sister who don't live on a council estate but me and my son do. By your standards my brother and sister are "worthy" of your children but my son is not as he lives up the road on an estate?!

I don't judged people by where they live as that doesn't make the person. I know plenty of people like you but ones that have never lived on a council estate and these people are twats.

I don't actually damsel I don't do false. I am not afraid to say how I feel in real life. You might be surprised how many people think like me in real life.

Recall all you need to say is that you didn't have great experiences on your particular council estate and school and do have chosen to move away and rent near a different school which you hope to be better. There's nothing wrong in that.

See you have taken back the trash comment which is good but really there is no need to say anything else as there are a lot of people who live on council estates and have gone to the attached schools with no problems at all. You are making some shocking sweeping generalisations here, which are just not necessary at all.

Ah the brittle broad in branding. We all know one in real life.

my experience of living on a council estate was awful, I can't help but judge them. How else can I ?

I did not rent my house in order to be in a catchment, in fact my kids school is not our catchment school. I rent here because its rural and the kids can run about in fields.

You came in to this thread in order to shock the middle classes with your takes of 'avin it 'ard on a council estate.
Rabbits And fags in sarnies ffs!

You called our children trash and you have explicitly stated that you don't want your kids mixing with ours.

You jumped in with both feet and got way out of your depth.

Because lots of us know all about estates and we are not the types to back off because you tell us to.

Think about what you said and utterly ridiculous it is.
You hate yourself because of who you are and no good will come of it.

See dats jus me tellin lik it is blud

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
' Or walk with Kings - nor lose the common touch,
if neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And - which is more - you'll be a Man, my son!

I can never understand the people who have lived there and seen some of the hardship being so incompassionate

whospickle nice round up !

it wasn't hardship !!! my neighbours weren't victims !!

You had a bad experience, but there are plenty of people who have not.

You've chosen a different type of life now, that's up to you, but there is no need to look down at other people who are perfectly happy with theirs.

the only hardship was self inflicted

recall that's your experience! It's nor every single estate! Don't judge everything buy your experiences.

My phones making me look illiterate! Not by

The waste Land

We shall not cease from exploration
And the end of all our exploring
Will be to arrive where we started
And know the place for the first time

Hold on tight to that nice middle class place you are in now Recall, because should you return to your homeland you may just get to know it for the first time, and shame yourself for your views today.

Most of us are only a couple of strokes of bad luck away from being unemployed and needing help with housing.

So no disabled people on your estate then?
No one with MH issues
No bereaved, abandoned, oppressed?

You know you are lying don't you?
And so do we.

You have no credibility at all.
How ironic, given your high moral standpoint

yeah, ok, that is true. I am probably bitter and resent how my environment affected my childhood and my education. My resentment is aimed at that, that not people on here. I'm sorry that I have upset people.

Aaag poor recall!

The worst kind of self hate, you were 'dragged up' on a council estate so you think that everyone on a council estate is trash?

I grew up on a council estate too, funnily enough everyone that lived there worked including my parents! My mum even went to public school fancy that eh!

Recall tbh you are the only one that's coming across as trashy.

Your real background is so uncomfortable to you that you are doing the best you can to distance yourself from it, someone who grew up on a council estate proclaiming council house dwellers as trashy- yep you've convinced us all you're not like that!

You rent a home on a country estate- shall we bow and address you as lady recall?

On your knees fellow council house dwellers, we are among aristocracy- we are not worthy!

steppemum Haven't read whole thread, but our school borders a large estate with high levels of unemplyment etc, and I wouldn't be surprised if I looked carefully to see some PJ's. The difference is that the school is amazing, we have a bull dog of a head who won't take any nonsense from parents (she would not allow swearing in the playground, and will follow up on anything she considers to be detrimental to the kids) The kids love her, the standards are high, discipline is tight and they take a lot of time to get the children's aspirations up (eg taken a bunch of bright year 6 to visit Oxford University etc) Kids love her and know she would do anything for them, but know they can't get away with stuff. I used to teach in a school in a rough part of the East End, was brilliant til the head changed. This isn't about the op's area or the parents or their unemployment really, it is about the school, and the head, who isn't coping well with the situation it is in.

I totally agree with that. I have a similar situation so i don't worry about the school as such. I do worry about as the children get older though and the influences they will have from their peers. That's not being snobby its being realistic. I said earlier that i grew up somewhere with high levels of drugs, not bothering to work, crime etc. I did get involved in some even though my parents didn't bring me up like that.

I think a lot of posters are in denial about that. The influence on the children when the go to school with kids who are into that stuff is huge.

That's what worries me. When they are 5 or 6 its not an issue. When they are 10, 12, 14 etc and are making their own decisions about who they hang out with outside of school then it is a massive issue.

Who actually wants their teenage children going round their friends houses when that house is full of drugs, stolen goods, there is talk of smashing up people who have crossed them and there are bats and other weapons laying about, and they learn the attitude that there is no point working or college cos its for mugs.

This happens. Been there done that.

ohdamnit

I am sitting here, and I am going around every house in our "bit"

honestly, truly,

no disabled,
there was one person with a MH issue.
there was one widow
no one was abandoned,
no one was oppressed.

I lived there for 20 years, and I knew the families very well, they were not victims like you described

If you had a shit childhood that is terrible and you parents should have protected you.
Don't let their failures push you into projecting your skewed views onto your children
You will conflict them
There is no shame in coming from a council estate.
You have no reason to be ashamed of who you are.