How can Prince William campaign against rhino poaching when he happily kills other animals for sport?

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I genuinely can't get my head around this. Am I missing something?

How can Prince William campaign against rhino poaching when he happily kills other animals for sport?

Because speaking out for Black Rhinos makes a great PR stunt raises public awareness.

Homeopathy doesn't make us of rhino horn, or panda penises or tiger teeth or anything else of that kind. Lumping all non-conventional medicine together in one big heap and saying that all it's supporters beleive in all of it is a bit daft.

Homneopathy doesn't consist of anything

Benton!

Animals don't know whether or not they are endangered though.

GingerWrath I too was wondering where this pheasant mountain was. I've never known a pheasant to go homeless following a shoot.

You are aware that the pheasants are actually bred to be shot, aren't you?

What is the moral difference between a poor person killing a rhino to make money(I am aware that the big money is higher up the chain- but the person who actually does the killing is usually a poor person) and a rich person killing for pleasure loads of living things specially bred for them to kill? Personally I think the poor person killing the rhino is on stronger moral ground..

StepOutOfSpring You make a very, very interesting point - animals don't know whether they are endangered or not. This brings me back to my point about it boiling down to whether or not you agree that animals should be killed by humans.

In my opinion, it doesn't seem to make a great deal of difference to the animal in question whether it's killed for meat, sport, leather, fur or just to keep the population under control. End result is; it's killed. It's up to us to make a moral judgement over whether it is ethical to kill the animal for certain reasons eg. deciding culling is OK because otherwise more animals would suffer if the population was left to get out of control, or deciding killing rhinos that are already endangered to use their horn in medicine that has not been proven to work is wrong.

If the poor person was killing the Rhino for food, then maybe he would have slightly stronger moral ground. If he was killing the Rhino to feed his family maybe, but he isn't, the animal is butchered for its horn and left to rot.

"specially bred for them to kill" and thats the point. The Rhino is facing extinction, the pheasant isn't. The Pheasant will also be eaten, as will the Deer, Rabbit, Grouse et al.

(Oh and I know plenty of 'poor people' and 'average people' who hunt - it's not the domain of the drippig in gold you know)

I'm not in favour of hunting at all, I don't see the 'sport' in it (but then I don't see the 'sport' in boxing either), but Seeker, your bias against the Royal Family is getting in the way of your common sense gene...unless of course you are a vegan against the killing of any animal, in which case, I take it all back.

If you but your meat from a supermarket at best they'll have had the freedom of a field and will have lived for the optimist length of time to be financially best for the farmer. At worst... it will then be taken to an abattoir on lorry and despatched.
If you eat pheasant it will either have been hatched and then released or it will have even born in the wild. It will then live is life happily in the wild as it's meant to until it may or may not get shot with no warning (or get hit by a car)
I know which I think is better and as I'm not a vegan...

OP how can you not get it?!? I am a fox-hunter (its not illegal btw, you just have to follow certain guidelines/loopholes) but the point is, foxes are vermin which are going to get culled anyway, they are not in danger of extinction. Rhinos could be made extinct so of course I/any responsible hunter/meat eater would be against poaching an endangered species. Doh!

Of course a rhino is different - it's nearly extinct! A responsible hunter picks the right animal from the right herd of the right species. And as for pheasants etc - I'd rather have a pheasant which has roamed and then been shot than a battery chicken.

And if you have details of that pheasant mountain I'd be grateful. My freezer stock is down.

Also of the poor shots. Again, IME those shooting real animals are normally rather good shots. To be a poor shot is not A Good Thing. If you're not such a good shot - stick to clay. After all, a responsible hunter normally wishes his kill to be that - killed. Quickly and cleanly.

What the fuck am I going to do with those 4 rhinos I've got in the lounge?!

I remember one Chair of the RSPCA had 3 cats - yes, 3 CATS. don't witter about bluddy foxes to me GRRRRRRR!

I am actually planning on volunteering as a beater when pheasant season is up again (note they are not allowed to be hunted when breeding is in full flow) so I can get a brace or two for nowt!

"GingerWrath" Mind your butt!

A rhino is very different. A big rhino horn can fetch up to £100,000. To a South African living in a township, of course R1,000,000 is absolutely worth killing a beautiful and endangered rhino for.

Actually in SA now I think they coat the rhino horns in something to make them unusable if the horns were to be sold, I don't know what it's called though.

A rhino is very different. A big rhino horn can fetch up to £100,000. To a South African living in a township, of course R1,000,000 is absolutely worth killing a beautiful and endangered rhino for.

Actually in SA now I think they coat the rhino horns in something to make them unusable if the horns were to be sold, I don't know what it's called though.

whoops, so nice I posted it twice!

But maybe the rhino hunter who removes the horn is doing so just to feed his family who would otherwise starve?

(I have no idea, just throwing that out there)

my nine year old DS has just said (without prompting) "rhino are endangered. Pheasants and deer aren't." If a nine year old gets it, surely a grown woman can?

I wouldn't buy a tiger skin, but I'll happily sit on my leather sofa while tucking into fillet steak ;)

In my books, killing something for fun is absolutely morally unacceptable. Always. No exceptions.

Killing something for economic reasons may or may not be absolutely morally unacceptable.

Of course animals don't know they are endangered doesnt mean we have the right to wipe them off the face of the planet though

Lynette paochers kill to order yes there is poverty involved and to feed his familiy is far more important to him than an animal however sometimes these poachers are not poor
poaching and poverty do go hand in hand mostly, a lot of the areas where poaching is rife employ people to protect the wildlife and they are paid, yet the poaching continues

"Of course animals don't know they are endangered doesnt mean we have the right to wipe them off the face of the planet though"

Did anyone say we do? My point is that we should treat all animals with kindness and respect, as "you're not endangered" isn't going to be any consolation to the animal.

I'm a meat eater but am interested in whether the animal has had a good life and a decent end to that life. And I don't agree with hunting for "sport" as there are so many alternative sports out there.

I wasn't having a go at anybody sorry if you thought that i was just saying we should look after them thats all