To think that people have the principles they can afford?

[Hullygully]

Do you have, or know anyone that does, principles that would absolutely not be ditched in the event of greater wealth?

Hully what partickler thing is it you'e been pulled up for?

go on, tell

we won't judge

Cava is far nicer than Prosecoo, as a rule.

Everyone should be able to afford their choice of Cava or Prosecco on a regular basis. I include the unemployed in that. I hate that people have to scrabble around for pennies down the back of the sofa in order to put credit on their electricity key. And that people are forced to drink Lambrini.

oh it's a great long ongoing thingy

I shouldn't own and run a business - capitalist

I shoudln't have sent my dc briefly to private school. I did so because I didn't want to move and the dc were pleading for harder work, better behaviour, more sport etc and all the state schools where I lived were the same. They got scholarships and now they are back in the state system at grammar

I'm not allowed to do those two things and call myself a socialist.

Prosecoo = a hard to get hold of artisan Prosecco from, errr, a village somewhere.

Prosecco is too fruity

I like ice cold extra extra extra brut champs.

And I like fancy canapes.

I'm not allowed to do those two things and call myself a socialist.

^^ That is a fair and I suppose unarguable point. What prompted the thread was that said person seems to have a dislike rather than just a political objection, so I wondered about necessity and dislike dressed up as principle.

It wasn't about pore me wanting cake and eating it. tho it is now

You shouldn't own and run a business? Are socialists allowed to be employed by other people who run businesses? Or are they not supposed to have jobs at all?

pmsl at "I hate that people are forced to drink lambrini." What a brilliant line.:)

Bonsoir - I have to say I totally disagree that all parents want their children to have advantages over others. I can't think of any way to say this without sounding like a raging commie, but I think it would just be better if everyone had equal chances in life, as regards the money spent on their schooling.

Besides that, if you send kids to private school, I think you basically rule out a whole load of careers that they might be interested in (however much one protests that one just wants them to be happy) such as mechanic, builder and so on.

I'm not sure trills

I think essentially they have to be poor

Hully - about the private school thing. In my view, it's more complicated, because it's about other people. It's all very well to make a decision for yourself that you will use the NHS even if you can afford private healthcare. It's quite another to make a decision on behalf of a child that they will go to a really crappy comp and have a really miserable time for five years because you don't believe in private education. (NB Not saying all comps are crappy - I went to one myself - but some are.)

If you are poor then it is no effort to be a socialist, of course you want things to be shared out because then you would have more.

oh god no that's ok

unless you're trading gilts or own a cotton ill that routinely exploits children

that's what I said hackmum but it didn't wash

Hully there is nothing inherently unsocialist about running a business. I'd say many people running small businesses (I'm assuming here you're not the CEO of Arcadia) is more lefty than huge rampant conglomerates.

shj - I know, can you imagine? Freaks.

Life is just very complicated isn't it.

I could only afford to drink lambrusco when I was a student. (And we used to scrabble down the backs of the chairs to get enough money together to go to the pub on a Sunday night as the Union Bar was closed)

It is Exit, it is.

So long as we never have to sink to White Lightening.

So why is it all right to do those things SHJ and still call myself a socialist?

Because being a socialist is wanting things to be better for everyone, not just worse for yourself.

Also I have helped said person a good deal over the years and said person has never balked at the fruits of my capitalism.

But I can't say that because it would be horrid. Snot fair.

Exit - yes, but then said person says I am perpetuating the system

yellowraincoat people like that/me (small business owners) would have been sent to the gulags in the USSR. Very socialist place, that :)