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AIBU to not want my ILs to control our finances?

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SweetChilliSauce · 01/06/2012 22:00

This is my first ever post so please bear with me if you can ? apologies for the length but I?m trying to avoid drip feeding.

DP?s parents own two houses. The house they live in (DP?s childhood home) and the house that belonged to DP?s grandmother, which they inherited when she sadly passed away a number of years ago. DP?s grandmother?s house has been in their family for around 100 years so it is owned outright ? no mortgage. The house had been empty since she died.

When DP and I found out we were expecting DS, his parents were incredibly generous and offered us the opportunity to move in to the empty house and live there for 5 years, rent free. This was, they said, to give us a chance to save for a mortgage, and not be under financial pressure to have both of us working full time whilst DS was little. We knew that this was an amazing opportunity and very kind of them, and we gratefully accepted. We have been here for nearly two years now.

The house was in need of a substantial amount of work, but we were more than happy to put in the time and the money to make a home for ourselves and give ourselves a chance to pay off debt / save when the work was done. In financial terms, the project cost us around the same as what we would have paid in rent for a year, and I worked hard renovating the house both whilst I was pregnant (we were trying to complete the work before the birth so I did this full time instead of working) and for some months after the birth. DP?s parents also contributed financially to the project, as did mine. We didn?t ask either sets of parents for this help, but they offered, and we were very thankful.

I am pretty good at handling finances, and have been looking after mine and DP?s budget and outgoings for quite a while (I do this because DP doesn?t want to, and I do enjoy a good spreadsheet(!) ? the arrangement works well enough for us). We have certainly had odd periods where we have overspent but we have learnt from them, and we?ve been on an even keel (paying off credit cards / overdrafts and saving money) for a good while now. We know how much we have to save in order to put down a deposit on a mortgage, and are working on target towards this. We are responsible and everything is budgeted for.

Recently, despite the original agreement under which we moved in, DP?s parents have told us that they now require us to pay them £100 a week, which they will ?look after? for us. They have said that they ?do not believe we will save for a mortgage if it is left to us?, and thus need to control the figure of £100 a week paid to them and have it resting in an account to which they and DP (not myself) have access, though DP is not to touch it without their say so.

I feel really uncomfortable with this arrangement. I could almost understand it if they were saying they had changed their mind and now wanted us to pay rent on the house (but would be a little Hmm as that wasn?t the agreement under which we moved in and carried out all the work), but the idea of someone other than DP and I controlling our savings does not sit well with me.

I think that our savings should be in our savings account. This is mostly because it is simply our money, but also because it leaves me in a financially vulnerable position if DP and I were to break up (which I hope to God never happens, and don?t foresee happening, but I guess nothing is ever certain) as none of the money would be in my name. DP and I have just always had ?our money? ? we?ve never been divisive.

I also think we should decide for ourselves how much we are saving, rather than having the figure dictated to us. At the end of the day, we're the ones that face the consequences if we frittered away our cash. We are currently putting away about £60-70 a week and we really are living on a shoe string to do so ? if we gave £100 a week to his parents we would have nothing left in the pot after bills to buy anything that wasn?t the weekly food shop, whether that was some babygrows for DS, a new workshirt for me, a haircut for DP, taking DS to the farm... everything. When I told my ILs they said we could ?ask? them for our money back to buy whatever the item was that we required.

I just don?t want to live like this. I know we are capable of just spending what we need and putting the rest into savings (not least because that's what we've been doing) ? I don?t want to go and have to ask my inlaws for our own money every time I need to buy myself some tights. I have tried to explained this to them but they don?t seem to see the problem. I certainly don?t want to have to ask their permission and for our own money if DP and I want to go out for dinner or something else that?s just for ?enjoyment? (FWIW we?ve been out for dinner once this year so far...).

This is really stressing me out and it?s starting to cause problems between DP and I. If I?d have know at the outset that in order to live in the house we?d have to let DP?s parents control our finances and savings then I?d have said thanks but no thanks ? it is just not a situation that I would be happy with under any circumstances. It feels really controlling and belittling.

AIBU to not want to do this? I think, really, that I would much rather we moved out and made a go of it on our own ? paying rent and saving for a mortgage at the same time like everyone else, even though it would obviously take longer. AIBU?

OP posts:
samandi · 07/06/2012 08:20

YANBU, what a ridiculous idea.

madmouse · 07/06/2012 08:27

It sounds like you have more than paid your way since moving into the house, in terms of renovation and care taking. I suggest you move out into your own flat now to avoid these ridiculous and unhealthy control issues.

MeCookGoodSock · 07/06/2012 08:38

OMG I'm so glad I read this thread. I have something similiar with my son, except he pays me rent, I save it for him. It will one day be enough for a deposit for his own place. Thank God I have never told him about the savings, or that his girlfriend has got wind of it!

OP I believe your DP's parents where only trying to help. I think they went about it the wrong way though. I think they should have just charged you rent from the get go and said nothing about saving the money and just done it. That way no one feels entitled or ripped off.

MeCookGoodSock · 07/06/2012 08:40

Oh and if the relationship goes pear shaped it's not seen as someone is owed half their savings. That was rent paid. End of.

ClaireBunting · 07/06/2012 08:56

I don't think it is ever a good idea to live rent-free anywhere. You should at least have a token rent.

You wouldn't need to worry about losing out should you split up if you were married. Being married gives you rights.

You must have done something to worry your otherwise generous ILs.

Don't piss them off - they have two houses that your DP will inherit one day.

UnexpectedItemInShaggingArea · 07/06/2012 09:13

What Mooncup said further up the thread:

^To be honest the current situation seems like a bad deal for you, OP - really high bills and transport costs, no jobs for you nearby, lots of time, effort and money spent on renovations which won't personally benefit you. Meanwhile the ILs get the running costs of the house paid for and its value significantly increased. Now they want even more control over you.

Seriously, you would be much better off in a decent rented house near your DP's job and where you can find a job too.^

But also I would (through gritted teeth) be gracious and thankful to the "help" they have given you.

Quint Sad you sound like an amazing person I hope life is better now!

ComradeJing · 07/06/2012 10:40

YABU.

(not really, it's just against MN rules for AIBU threads to all agree.)

Fwiw my in laws are also controlling and narky when it comes to our spending. They question every buy, every decision and get cross when we don't take their advice. DH didn't realize how bad it was until I came on the scene and showed him. Now I'm to blame for any decision that runs counter to their wise advice and I'm seen as a crazy spend thrift. Drives me mad but thank god we live so far away that I can largely ignore it.

You will be blamed for this OP but you're doing the right thing.

geegee888 · 07/06/2012 10:52

Its a bad idea. But I think when you "gave up work in order to renovate the house" instead, that was a bad idea too. Whats the point in losing income that could be put towards saving for a deposit to renovate a house belonging to someone else? So in order to get your freedom back to make your own financial decisions, I would move out and save up for your deposit in the normal way. Who knows what will happen to your £100 a week anyway?

oopsi · 07/06/2012 11:58

Crikey your poor PIL!! talk about no good deed going unpunished!
How on earth are they benefitting from this?
They were planning on knocking it down , so how has the Op been saving council tax and insurance? The housebuildng industrty is dead they would have been able to get a really good price on building a house at the moment.
How will they benefit from your 'renovation' and if it was going to require so much spending on it just to make it habitable, why did you do it?

oopsi · 07/06/2012 12:00

You PILs were trying to give you and your BF (both debt-ridden) a chance to save some money for a deposit and the first thing you do is quit your job and get yourself even more into debt.
They are worried they are going to be giving you licence to live their rent free for ever.

ClaireBunting · 07/06/2012 12:03

I have to say that I am really sceptical about value of the OP's house 'renovation'.

How much can a pregnant woman do on her own?

Structural work, and adding kitchens and bathrooms adds value to a property. Slapping on a bit of paint and wallpaper, and putting in new carpets and curtains does not. These are things that have to be done every few years anyway, and lots of buyers just do their own thing as quickly as possible.

House decorating is something that most of us do by ourselves, especially in the early years, and we don't really expect it to add value to a property (it may make it quicker to sell, however).

I'd also be interested to know how old the young couple are. They seem pretty young.

We've only one side of the story here, and the vast majority are quick to side with the OP without really having anything more than vague bits of information.

The homeowners could have sold the property, but didn't. They gave their DS a choice which he accepted. Or they could have had it done up professionally to move into themselves, and sold their main house - but haven't done that either. For all we know, they are in despair about their DS's handling of his finances (and life in general) and are trying to give him as many opportunities as possible to prove himself.

I think if parents have to bail out their adult children, then I think it should come with some strings attached. Give that two years have gone by and their is still no sign of a house deposit, then they have been rather patient.

MacaroniSaysShetlandPony · 07/06/2012 12:30

While it's true that OP is only sharing one side of the story (as is ever the case on MN, by the way), the fact remains that PIL refuse to put OP name on the savings account. For me, that is the red flag which says it is time to get out. Hand over money but you can't access it thereafter? I think not!

The house valuation, and any potential value added to a house which may or may not have been knocked down, is secondary to the main point - OP is in an increasingly perilous financial situation and for the sake of her DC, needs to get onto a more independent footing.

ClaireBunting · 07/06/2012 12:39

Maybe they consider her to be someone her DS is shacking up with rather than their DIL?

Maybe they feel it is only their place to deal with their DS since he is the only one who is family? They might be very formal about these things.

MeCookGoodSock · 07/06/2012 12:41

The mistake of the parents was to offer the place rent free. They should have charged a fee from the off set and saved what that for a deposit without saying anything to either their son or the OP. Then no one would be feeling entitled or ripped off.

Triggles · 07/06/2012 12:42

I don't see that the parents have actually bailed out the adult children. The parents offered them something that actually benefited BOTH of them, and frankly that probably benefited the parents more, as they had someone living in, insuring, and paying council tax on a property that they had done nothing with for a few years. It's saving the parents money in insurance and council tax, which I suspect is a healthy amount of money.

I would imagine if the OP and her DP bought the house, the ILs would always still consider it theirs. This is a particularly bad idea.

As the parent of 2 adult children (as well as 2 small children), I would NEVER EVER insist on seeing their finances. DS1 and his partner struggle with their finances regularly, but I would never presume to tell them what to do. DD has struggled once or twice, came to us and asked us some questions, which we answered, asked us the best way to set up a budget. We sat down with her with a "dummy" amount and gave examples of what were likely expenses and how to budget over the whole year in order to make sure you had enough for bills that only came quarterly or yearly. We also recommended the moneysavingexpert website to her for further info. Again, we did not ask for her financial information, nor did we want it.

We certainly would never ask them to give us money they were saving for "safekeeping" at all. That's their job to self-police their own savings. If they want money saved, it's their responsibility to be grown up and save it.

Personally, I would not be drawn into any discussion on your finances. Just tell them the arrangement is not working for you due to the high heating bills and travel expenses, and that you will be making other more viable arrangements as soon as possible. Remind them that they will need to be prepared to take back the council tax bill as well as insurance responsibilities on the property when you move. Grin

ClaireBunting · 07/06/2012 12:49

Absolutely, MeCook.

When things are free, they are just not valued.

A rent of maybe in the region of half market value would have been good. I suspect the owners would have just put the money away and given it to the couple when it was time for them to buy a house, or they could have put it towards skilled contractors to improve the house.

porcamiseria · 07/06/2012 12:52

A few thoughts

dont piss them off! I am sure they mean well, but yanbu to be annoyed

a queston is what might have caused this, was it completely out of the blue???

as a starter for ten can you say, look as we have been saving and budgeting loads we dont feel at all comfortable with this, then show them a spreadsheet

current debts =
debts repaid year to date =
current savings =
average amount saved per month =
current spend to date on house renovations=

The last one is KEY as if what you say is true (and I think you have been mugs to spend that much on a house that is not yours TBH) this can show why you have been saving less

in fact, maybe the spending on the house has caused their alarm?

but handle this rationally and businesslike, to start

MacaroniSaysShetlandPony · 07/06/2012 13:00

ClaireBunting 'Maybe they feel it is only their place to deal with their DS since he is the only one who is family? They might be very formal about these things.'

If this is the case, why would they seek to take charge of finances pertaining equally to OP? If they feel so formal about it, then surely they would consider it to be inappropriate to involve themselves in non-family finances, i.e. those relating to the OP?

It's true that if rent had been paid, and possibly saved without being publicised, then the situation might be more easily resolved as legally the money belongs to the PIL and they can do with it as they please. So right to say that paying rent would have been the most straight-forward approach.

ClaireBunting · 07/06/2012 13:07

The OP doesn't have any money, does she?

She is not being asked to had over her wages.

Triggles · 07/06/2012 13:18
MacaroniSaysShetlandPony · 07/06/2012 13:31

Thanks Triggles - you said what I thought! Tis definitely 2012 over here too

ClaireBunting · 07/06/2012 14:14

What does 2012 have to do with it?

The OP doesn't earn any money but she sure knows how to spend it! I think she has plenty of say over what her man earns.

oopsi · 07/06/2012 14:14

maybe morally, but not legally

MeCookGoodSock · 07/06/2012 14:16

So my old fashioned lingo was right?

He is the provider.

I'm scared of the feminists on this board and always seem to make a hash of things with my words. Blush

oopsi · 07/06/2012 14:19

triggles the parents wanted to knock down the house in which case they woukld have paid neither insurance nor council tax on it.