NHS funded IVF for same-sex couples.

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Further to the other thread, how do we justify same sax couples getting IVF treatment on the NHS?
This is not infertility, so nothing is medically 'wrong'.Should the NHS be funding it?

How do we justify it? I don't feel the need to justify other people having a family by whatever means, why do you?

What difference does the sex make to two people who would like to have a child, but cannot, on medical grounds?

Well I guess if you feel you have to justify it then you'd do so in the same way you justify someone with 'normal' inferility in a heterosexual couple. They can't have a baby without ivf, not can a same sex couple.

I think in order to think anything else you have to have some kind of misunderstanding that people have chosen to attracted to the same sex and have, in some way, chosen to make themselves 'infertile'. That isn't the case, they are gay, they don't choose to be, anymore than someone chooses to have a low sperm count or recurrent miscarriages for example.

Not wanting to have sex with someone of the opposite sex isn't a medical ground though is it?

Do same sex couples get IVF on the NHS if there is nothing medically wrong? I thought they used DI.

So?

My view stays the same as in the other thread, it hasn't changed because of the person choice in partner

No, but not possessing a penis/uterus is a fairly basic medical ground....

Totally agree OP. But then I don't agree with IVF. Planet is massively overpopulated as it is.

Do you have children, Hammy?

Surely a lesbian with medical problems who wants to get pregnant can use artifical insenination. The justification for funding it is to make sure that the sperm donor hasn't got aids or any other hideous diseases. Sperm donation is nowhere near as expensive as IVF. I can see any difference between a hetrosexual couple using sperm donation and a gay couple using sperm donation.

Surely a lesbian would only have IVF if she had serious infertility problems. Its illegal to deny medical treatment on the grounds of sexuality. I can't see a healthy lesbian choosing IVF.

Sorry I meant a lesbian without medical problems can use artifical insenination.

I think that is what happens ReallyTired. DI (Donor Insemination) unless there is a medical problem, in which case IVF is appropriate. Ergo, this thread is pointless shit stirring based on an incorrect supposition.

what's the other thread? IMO too many lesbian couples are pressured into having IVF when they don't need it and AID will work fine, but clinics will usually like to put lesbians into their stats - because they are (often) slightly younger and don't have known fertility problems their success rate with IVF wil be higher, and make the clinic's statistics looks good. In this scenario everyone is being manipulated, including people looking at stats and going for the clinic with good success rates - these might actually be misleading

I wonder where people get their assumptions from. Do you know lots of lesbian/ gay couples. rhetorician how do you know what clinics do?

The only lesbian couple I know in real life (who do have a child) are very bright women. I really can't see them being pushed into an invasive proceedure that they don't need. I have never asked them how their son was concieved as that would be appauling manners.

IVF requires some really nasty and expensive drugs. There are risks with hyperstimulation of the ovaries. A doctor as a moral obligation not to do harm and explain options to their patient. A doctor who did IVF on a healthy lesbian instead of less evasive option could in trouble with the general medical council.

If a lesbian as access to sperm then surely its matter of plotting the menstral cycle with an ovulation test kit and putting the sperm up the vagina.

YABU and I think have far too much time on your hands

I am quite sure the NHS only funds IVF when there is a medical problem, what kind of relationship the women is in is irrespective.

not a fan of IVF in general but still think the OP is unreasonable, If hetro couples get it on the NHS so should same sex couples, l really don't see the difference. If it must be funded by the NHS, then at least it can be fair!

No doubt many infertile het women could get pregnant by some random bloke down the pub, so they haven't got medical grounds either

Monkeymoma who IS a fan of IVF? It's an unpleasant necessity for some.

How exactly is this gooing to work? I mean a woman, regardless of sexuallity can become pregnant via IVF, but a man can't. Or am I missing something?

Seems a bit hard on male same sex couples!

YABVU.

How do we not justify same sex couples getting IVF on the NHS? They will only get NHS-funded treatment if there is infertility, and - just FYI OP - it's illeagal to withhold medical treatment to people on the basis of their sexuality.

What a mean, nasty and ill-informed OP.

There have been plenty of reasonable and well-mannered responses already on this thread so I feel perfectly justified in saying a great big FUCK OFF to the OP.

My sister and her wife are going through HELL at the moment trying to conceive using DI. They are trying everything possible before resorting to IVF. Which they don't think they will get funding for anyway. What makes them any less deserving of happiness than a hetero couple? Nothing. They are kind, wonderful women who just want a chance to have a family. The thought that they have to share fucking oxygen, never mind a health service, with arseholes like you makes me angry.

I hope you read this before it gets deleted OP and even if you don't I hope karma bites you on the fucking arse one day for your mean spirited bigotry.

IVF should be available to good decent people who have contributed to the NHS via their taxes unless disabled, who will look after their children, care for them and not abandon them.

How many times have we all thought or said people ought to need a licence to have children, well here's our chance to make sure only those you will actually full fill a basic criteria are offered IVF.

Whether they have one willy or even none at all shouldn't even come into it.