To wonder about all the press on Social Services taking children away?

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From good families and parents for no good reason. It is media hype or is there truth in it?

Talking with friends recently, some say they are careful about what they say to the GP for fear of what goes down on record. For example, they would think twice before saying something along the lines of, "I'm finding it hard to cope with my young children while sick with flu (or whatever illness)".

Amy social workers out there who could comment? Is it true that 95% of children are never returned to their parents once removed?

Scary. I can't believe this could happen.

I don't think I have ever met a child abuser who openly admitted doing it nor have I ever come across a parent who neglected there child who openly admitted it nor a emotionally abusive parent who fessed up.

I have come across people who deserve to have children removed and a tiny minority who shouldn't have had it happen ( one is a very rational mums netter whom I believe without reservation )as well as huge amounts of ones who just think they shouldn't have been taken.

Secret have you read my post i did at 21.31.

Or are you going to ignore it because it rings true for you.

so if a child is adopted are you all in agreement that the birth mother should not have any pictures of her children on her facebook ?????

Depends. I know I don't think a child abuser who has abused their child should have the childs photo on facebook.

Crikey, I go off to see Rise of the Guardians and come back to find mrsdevere is a troll.

I agree with amillion - things do sometimes go wrong, and if that is what has happened for your daughter, you need to support her and fight her corner, not get sucked into fantasy conspiracy world. The people (interestingly mainly men) who propagate these fantasies care nothing for your pain but simply for their own egos. It will do your case enormous harm if you carry on in this vein. And that would be terrible, if there really has been injustice here that needs addressing.

Are you actually fucking kidding me? Of course people who beat, abuse, starve and neglect should have their Lil bubs pics on their profile pics Hun.

Before I actually explode with rage would you care to respond to my post of 2146?

come back to find mrsdevere is a troll.

I know. Its the MN moment of 2012 for me.

I knew she was too consistently rational and engaging to be real. Next you will be telling me some bad news about Santa Claus.

As a proud veteran of these kind of threads, I did use to do the rage thing, but now I see it is counterproductive.

Secretworld is clearly not able to be rational and I guess that her own personal trauma combined with what has happened to her daughter has pushed her over the edge. Save your rage for those appalling examples of humanity such as Hemming and Ian Joseph who leech off these vulnerable and hurting people in an utterly contemptible way.

This poster is not actually reading or responding to posts.
She is not constructing any sort of argument.
She is simply reeling off stuff she's found on the internet in a very haphazard fashion. Anyone (including me) wanting to actually debate with her is in for a frustrating time.
I for one am going to assume that the coherence and style of posting is representative of the thought processes and the logic used to arrive at the conclusions she has, and not get sucked in any further (or that's the plan!)

Secret, it seems to me you are feeling powerless and angry because your grandson was taken away.

There will be reasons why he was taken away, and those reasons have been put before many people in a defined process subject to law. Stringent law, regularly tested.

There may be emotional factors for you raised by these events that are difficult to process right now. Because your grandson's confidentiality needs to be maintained, I expect you cannot speak about what happened.

I am sorry that you are suffering.

It seems to me you are trying to vent feelings by posting, and those feelings cannot be resolved here, in this way.

Not a one of anyone here can say that you were wronged. Not a one of anyone here can make it go away, or the pain stop. We do not know what has happened, and no-one can make an informed decision, because no-one here can know the facts.

No one on here can know the facts because if we did the details of a child's life would be on the internet, and there are people out there who specialise in targeting children. Apart from that, it is not right to put anything on the internet or in the papers which may come back to haunt a child when that child is grown. Nothing that can be connected with a child in real life should be know. Adults can choose, children cannot, so nothing should be said about them which can identify them, even if it's only enough to identify them to people who already know them. I feel strongly about this regardless of the circumstances of any child.

What you are saying about social services is not factually correct and could cause harm to people who may need assistance, for whatever reason, from social services.

I can see that you are hurting and angry. I can see that you want what has happened to be part of a failure of the state. It cannot only be down to that, for the many reasons given by many knowledgeable people on this thread, given that e cannot know the circumstances. There are too many safeguards in place for it to down to only the state after taking your grandchild.

Please look after yourself. Talk to people in real life about how you are feeling. I hope you are a real person. I hope you find resolution to your feelings.

yeah sorry for the shock reveal of MrsDV but it had gone on long enough. I couldn't allow any more posters to be sucked into her web of sound advice and witty compassion.

It's chilling isn't it. How many people did she dupe. The only thing that can top this for me is if MrsDV rips off her rubber face mask to reveal that she is in fact John Hemming.

spero voice of reason (again). I'm out (again).

Oh my god not JH!!

Although I am sure his name has now been mentioned enough times that he shall appear any minute and back secret up. In his 'i will just post random, unverified info and ignore all valid objections and questions.

I had to BEG ss to get involved (15 yo involved in extremely risky behaviour, out of control) as they wouldn't take dd into care because I had parental responsibility. They did finally take notice but really, they do not take children into care lightly.

Unless I'm very much mistaken, I will be seeing MrsDV in the very near future.

I will attempt to rip her rubber face mask off and report back about just how hard she punches me.

I think that a lot goes on that social services are unable to report. The couple where the mother had mild learning difficulties for example in this story

It was discussed on MN at the time and although it was reported by the couple that they were being hounded for no good reason, a quick google led to the father's art work. I'm not saying that he poses a danger to children but I'd think twice about letting DD stay with my sister if her new BF spent his time this way. Who knows what else S.S know that the public don't?

Kleptronic - good post. Says it all really.

Wilson - ha ha, see you on the next thread. There will never be an 'out', you do know that?

SO glad someone has finally had the courage to out MrsDV. To think I wasted all these months (years!) trying to be her MN mate... Trip trap

Oh, and should birth parents put photos of their adopted children on FB?

Hell, no.

Oh, and should birth parents put photos of their adopted children on FB?

Hell, no.

Well said.

well, what a lively thread this is. John Hemming - how does he get away with it. He is dangerous, causes all kinds of distress to parents who are already distressed and frightened. It's good to see people who are currently working in the family courts (lawyers) social workers, and those who have been on the receiving end of social work involvement speaking calmly and honestly about a complex subject. OP you would be well advised to focus on supporting your daughter and grandson, and to keep out of the hysterical, dangerous anti social work gang you are clearly involved with. I do wonder if the whole thing is made up, and you are a troll