To wonder about all the press on Social Services taking children away?

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From good families and parents for no good reason. It is media hype or is there truth in it?

Talking with friends recently, some say they are careful about what they say to the GP for fear of what goes down on record. For example, they would think twice before saying something along the lines of, "I'm finding it hard to cope with my young children while sick with flu (or whatever illness)".

Amy social workers out there who could comment? Is it true that 95% of children are never returned to their parents once removed?

Scary. I can't believe this could happen.

Stop shouting, it's really unfriendly.

I've followed this thread but really, you are being unreasonable. Children are not taken into care for no good reason. I have personal experience of this.

Some of the things you say come across as rude, angry and browbeating.

What is it you are hoping to achieve by posting in this way?

Amillion are you trying to tell me that some people in the east end do have a washing machine and don't trek to the laundrette every time they need clean pants? Well I never did!

Frankly, I would never take a Daily Mail story as evidence for anything without checking very carefully. They have their own agenda, they don't hesitate to present the story to fit that agenda, and they're none too careful about fact checking. So if you want to produce evidence, go for proper statistical evidence not Daily Mail links.

Oh my god mrs how did you manage this. You built a story over years and years just to upset secret and moved to the East end as you knew 8secret8 would drag east enders into it.

Well played mrs

I KNOW EASTENDERS IS FICTIONAL BUT THEY HAVE GOT THIS STORYLINE SO TRUE TO REAL LIFE.

MrsDeVere, were you once monikered OhDoAdmitMrsDeVere?

Apologies if that's impertinent.

YOU LOT REALLY DO TAKE THE CAKE

YOUR ALL BLINKERED TO WHAT GOES ON

OH AND I HAVE DONE LINKS FROM OTHERS NOT ONLY THE DAILY MAIL

I HAVE DONE THE GUARDIAN AND CHANNEL4 AMONGST OTHERS

There is cake?

Where? I would be willing to share my wine for some cake.

Ah. Hello again secret. What, exactly, though, is your argument? In your own words, without linking to anyone? Not that you've answered me before, but I live in hope.

" So if you want to produce evidence, go for proper statistical evidence not Daily Mail links."

Tried that, I supplied stats showing less than 10% of children who came into contact with social services in 2011/12 were removed from their parents , and presumably only a small proportion of those will go on to be adopted. I got told the stats were fiddled. I pointed out that I'd had a job where I was responsible for supplying the stats and am fairly sure they never went through the fiddler. No response to that. Wonder why.

So all eastenders is fictional, apart from this storyline.

Well that neatly proves what you say is true. Its doesn't you know.

SS are not suing because its made up, it is known that its made up and no one (apart from you and possibly John Hemming) think its true.

my argument is that the la ans sw lie and do false reports for the secret family courts in order to get adoption orders on children from families who should have their children with them...........

Even if some people on this thread have never had dealings with SS and so don't know the real workings of it, there are plenty of people who have had personal dealings with them along with people who work for SS telling you that this is not the case in their experience.

And in any media there is still only one side to a story because SS will always comment "we cannot go into details of a particular case because of confidentiality" so any speculation is just that.

If I suffered a ss related miscarriage of justice reading this thread would actually make me think I had no hope of solving it,I would worry that the only people who believe me are stark raving numpties who try to make there point by shrieking or yelling and actually believe the daily fail to be fact.

So anybody who does feel ss have taken action unjustly and against the best interests of your child please get proper legal advice and support from people who are not batshit crazy.

I am actually concerned for you, secretworld. Really think that you could do with someone to speak to.

The things you have been reading are also not good for you. If you want to believe the world is a horrible place, no one can persuade you not to, but all of these articles and horror story encouraging articles are only going to make it harder for you to move on from your experiences.

WILL SOMEONE TELL ME WHERE THE GOD DAMN CAKE IS!!!!!!!

WON'T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE BRADY!!!!

Well I worked for an la. And so, though I realise you won't believe me, I know what you're saying is a pile of Crap.

I have no loyalty to the place. Hated the job. But thwir professionalism and commitment really impressed me.

I'm not entering into any arguments. I am just posting so I can just say a couple of things about the debate a few pages ago about adoption orders

There actually are a very few circumstances when an adoption order can be set aside/voided

This is very very very rare, although it has happened. The circumstance I have read about was that the birth mother was not informed of the time and date of the final hearing, as she legally must be. That doesn't mean the child is returned, just that a new adoption order should be made with their full knowledge. I belive there may be one or so other reasons you can set aside an adoption order, but no knowledge of this happening. If you want to read the case, it's here www.familylawweek.co.uk/site.aspx?i=ed78167

MySecretWorld was confusing an adoption order with a placement order. Very different things, please don't mix them up, because it's very confusing for the reader

Cheers MrsDeVere.