To wonder about all the press on Social Services taking children away?

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From good families and parents for no good reason. It is media hype or is there truth in it?

Talking with friends recently, some say they are careful about what they say to the GP for fear of what goes down on record. For example, they would think twice before saying something along the lines of, "I'm finding it hard to cope with my young children while sick with flu (or whatever illness)".

Amy social workers out there who could comment? Is it true that 95% of children are never returned to their parents once removed?

Scary. I can't believe this could happen.

I would worry that the only people who believe me are stark raving numpties who try to make there point by shrieking or yelling and actually believe the daily fail to be fact.

All jokes aside (well some) this is my concern. That and people who need SS help will not ask for it out of fear and they and their kids will be harmed.

thats also why alot of parents cant talk about their cases even after they have finished because they are not legally allowed to do so

which is why 99% of the adoptions in which false reports are made cant be published in detail by any paper or spoken about in detail in any tv program.

the result of talking about your case (if found out by the ss) is a gagging order and if you still continue to talk about your cases or your children that you have lost to adoption you are then more than likely to be imprissoned by the courts for breaching the gagging order prohibiting you from talking about your cases or your children

this is fact

i know of 4 people who have got gagging orders on them and they have been told to take the pictures of their children off their facebook profiles or risk prison.

So where do these stories and stats come from?

God you know alot of people to say this has been going on a month. secret remember these people won't always be telling you the truth.

my grandson was taken on the 14th october 2012

i have met alot of people in that time either at court or at the contact centre or through the meetings that myself and my daughter have been going to.

out of the people we have met there is only 2 others that have got their children back (both after over a year of fighting the ss)

i have also done searches on the internet about ss, child law, family law, hra, childrens act and also the magna carta.

i have soo many documents relating to the above which are very interesting to read and some are horrid.

i have gone through things with a fine toothed comb

oh and i ate all the cake lmfao

Then, I guess you would know it's the Children Act, not the Children's.

I am wondering if we can clear up one thing for you.
The building where you say there are 8 floors, with court cases help all over it. is the building in London? Can you name it or the address, so that hopefully someone can put your mind at rest about how many cases are heard daily in it?

heard not help

I can't believe I'm back... I would imagine if I'd had my children removed for neglect I'd tell every single person I knew that I was under a gagging order, leaving me able to blame ss without either telling the truth or facing up to my own culpability. Denial is an extremely powerful emotion.

no its in manchester

I think secretworld and I are talking about the same thing - until a child I'd adopted you can apply to revoke the placement order or you can contest the making of the adoption order.

But please, anyone reading this who needs to know, do not go into court and start relying on the Magna Carta. It will mark you out as someone who has probably signed up to the Fremen of the Land stuff. I don't want to be unnecessarily rude but can think of no diplomatic way to put this, you might as well go into court wearing a T shirt saying 'I am irrational and obsessive'.

There is much more relevant and recent law you need to grapple with. The Children Act 1989 and the European Convention of Human Rights is probably all you will ever need.

to wilsonfrickett ................
are you saying that gagging orders do not exsist ?

i have also done searches on the internet about ss, child law, family law, hra, childrens act and also the magna carta.

There is your issue. Internet information is pretty useless and unvarified.

secret I am involved with a charity thats helps people convicted of crimes they haven't committed.

Its takes ages to decide who to support. Some many people and their relatives ask for our help and it is obvious it was them. They are just hoping we will find a technicality.

Often the relatives really believe their family member is innocent. Some of the criminals believe they are not at fault, although admit what happened.

Not everyone person you meet who is involved with SS will be telling you the truth. The evidence they have will only be half truths.

We took a case on. Helped the convicted family (wife and three kids) lovely family. Just a normal family man, who was accused of something he didn't do.

The charity spent £1000s. We even arranged childcare for the kids so the mother could work, some of us babysat. Attending appeal hearings.

I believed them 100%. They were talking bollocks. Came out he did do it and she knew all along.

Even people like me that are used people trying to manipulate me into helping them got burned.

I know by believing them it solidifies your case. But you are in danger of being sucked in by less than honest people and getting burned.

To secret: no. I believe my post is clear.

I am not usually so open with people that eat all the cake.

But honestly secret i do worry for you. I think you are believing to much that you read without verifying the source.

Nothing you have posted is factual evidence. Its all opinion and heresay.

then you are very very wrong.

A gag order (also known as a gagging order or suppression order) is an order, sometimes a legal order by a court or government, other times a private order by an employer or other institution, restricting information or comment from being made public, or in some cases, passed onto a third party, for the purpose of "hiding" or "covering up" or "white-washing" compromising, questionable, deceptive practices, fraud, or other illegal activities with the help of the legal process itself, or to protect the privacy of victims or minors. Gag orders are most commonly used to conceal information from the public. In some cases, gag orders may be used, for example, to keep legitimate trade secrets of a company. Or, to protect the integrity of ongoing police or military operations. Conversely, as their downside, they are often also abused as a useful tool for those of financial means to intimidate witnesses and prevent release of information in a legal fashion without resorting directly to violence, or other methods of more heightened intimidation. Sometimes corporations or other entities of financial means will also use Strategic Lawsuit Against Public Participation (SLAPP) to prevent potential witnesses from speaking against them.
Legitimate claims for use of a gag order include, for instance, a criminal court may issue a gag order on the media if the judge believes, or claims to believe, that potential jurors in a future trial will be influenced by the media reporting or speculation on the early stages of a case. Another example might be to ensure police are not impeded in their investigations by media publicity about a case.
Gag orders are often used against participants involved in a lawsuit or criminal trial. They are also a tool to prevent media from publishing unwanted information on a particular topic.

Who is wrong?

You need to stop googling *secret8 your posts are just cut and pastes. Just because google links it, doesn't make it right.

gagging orders are real and to be told they are not by someone on here is a fucking joke

And they are used to protect the children involved in these cases, for goodness sakes.

The trouble with all of this is, mysecretworld says her DD was accused of having a mental illness when she did not.And being on drugs when she was not. And ss lied about this.
If that is all true, then there is a problem somewhere.
mysecretworld, if you still want to pursue this stuff, you would best off pursuing your own DDs case, Because if you believe her 100%, then there is indeed a problem with the behaviour of the people in HER case.
And, if you wanted, you could pursue that as long as you wished for.

I am afraid that I agree with others about other peoples cases. YOU will never know with them whether they are 100% true.

Oh FFS I did not say they didn't exist. I said I believed they can provide a convenient cover for parents who are sucked in to a vicious cycle of their own denial of the truth. I think that nasty, violent abusive parents DON'T TELL THE TRUTH. And when people say 'what happened to your children?' they say 'I can't tell you because of the gagging order, but it was the nasty, evil SS that took them.'

I am wondering why secret was so eager to take her dd to the doctors to get help for her and said she was going into to counseling because she had a history of entering abusive relationships.

oh we are persuing the false reports and lies and defermation of my daughter

we are also going for misconduct in public office for the sw.

so if a child is adopted are you all in agreement that the birth mother should not have any pictures of her children on her facebook ?????