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to interpret this email as a kiss-off from my 'friend'? Long, sorry.

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dismissed · 15/05/2012 21:50

Have name-changed.

I have/had a friend; I will call her Lois. Lois and I work in the same field, but it is a sort of freelance/work from home set-up (so rarely actually see one another in a workplace). We met about four years ago, and became close. Lois and her DP, along with another couple, were the people DH and I would see most regularly - dinner parties at one another's homes, nights at the pub, that usual sort of thing. I also saw Lois regularly on my own; we'd have coffee or go out for drinks, and we confided in one another as friends do. I would not have been especially close to Lois's DP, or she to my DH, but we all got along.

When I met Lois I was a single, childless woman. DH and I married and I have a family of five now. I did see a bit less of Lois as a result, but we continued to socialise, to talk about work, and everything seemed to be OK. The one problem we did have was this: Lois was quite friendly with a woman who had done something underhanded to my DH and I (no, not an affair!). This other woman - I will call her Enid - works in the same field, and travels in the same social circles. I want nothing whatsoever to do with her, but have tried to simply keep my distance from her. I have never complained to Lois about her own friendship with the woman, and have never deliberately done anything to 'stir the pot' or inflame tensions; in fact, I think I have been pretty cowardly about the whole thing and just tried to avoid Enid because I am a bit afraid of her.

Now, let me get to the point. Last winter, Lois and her DP were married. I hosted a small party for them, at my home, which seemed to be a success. DH and I attended the wedding. All was fine, although I did get an email in advance 'warning' me that Enid would be there, which irritated me a bit as I was well aware that Enid would be there and was hardly going to make a scene, and had never made a scene previously, so thought "why is she saying this?"

Not long after the wedding, DH and I threw a special dinner party, marking an annual occasion and tradition, to which we have invited Lois and her DP and our other 'best couple', each year. Lois had actually asked a couple of months before if we would be having the event, and accepted the invite happily; then, a few days before the date she emailed to say that they were overwhelmed with work and could not come. I was surprised and a bit hurt, but accepted it at face value.

After that, though, Lois simply stopped communicating with me. I let it go, as I thought she was busy, and I was quite busy myself. As time passed, though, and after several casual attempts at contact went ignored, it was obvious something was going on. I racked my brain but cannot see any way that I offended her...I figured it had to be either that she felt I was neglecting the friendship since becoming a mum, or this business with Enid, who would be perfectly capable of smearing me if she had the chance!

I finally emailed her the other day (editing these as minimally as possible!)

Hi Lois

I feel as though I really ought to say something. Since your wedding and [our dinner party], you haven't seemed to want to have anything to do with me. I can't help but feel that I am missing something. Have I unintentionally done something to offend you? If you don't wish to discuss it, obviously that is your choice, but I really do feel as though there is something going on that I am quite unaware of, and I would like the chance to respond or put it right if I have hurt you in some way.

All the best,
dismissed

She wrote me back:
Hi dismissed,

Nice to hear from you. I have not been sure why we haven't been in touch with each other either. I did try getting in touch once, but we are both busy and maybe it got overlooked. Anyway, I am fine with how things are now.
All the best to you too.

See you around,
Lois

Am I wrong, or is this a complete blow-off? She says 'nice to hear from you', but goes on to say 'I am fine with how things are now' - ie, I don't want to rebuild the friendship. She signs it "see you around", which is totally dismissive. I thought my email was quite direct and even conciliatory, and I would have liked the respect of an equally direct reply, even if it were to tell me off about something - but this just seems like she in evading the topic and treating me as someone she once knew rather distantly, not even an ex-friend!

Am I being unreasonable? Am I obsessing? Should I ignore this or reply?

OP posts:
dismissed · 15/05/2012 22:08

Thanks for all the kind replies. I am trying not to get too consumed by it all - I think it is probably true that I have no choice now but to let it go...anything else would be grovelling and abject. But the illogical part of me wants to shout and scream at her. And I cried myself to sleep last night - totally stupid - I think it has just reminded me of every time I ever got dumped by a boyfriend. Blush

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Get0rfMoiLand · 15/05/2012 22:09

It is a very hurtful email. It is the kind of thing that I would fester about for months and wake up at 5am thinking 'what did I DO'

I wouldn't reply. Bloody old cow.

StealthPolarBear · 15/05/2012 22:09

You could accidentally put a link to this thread on your FB
But that would be incredibly immature

takingiteasy · 15/05/2012 22:10

If her attitude is down to you not returning a call or something then she's more trouble than she's worth.

dismissed · 15/05/2012 22:10

I am not sure about her claim to have tried to get in touch. I suppose it is possible that I didn't see/accidentally deleted an email or text, but I definitely would have remembered if I'd seen one.

OP posts:
dismissed · 15/05/2012 22:11

You could accidentally put a link to this thread on your FB
But that would be incredibly immature

I could. If I hadn't just this moment deleted her as a FB friend. Which was very mature...

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TheSecondComing · 15/05/2012 22:12

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Message withdrawn at poster's request.

dismissed · 15/05/2012 22:13

secondcoming, I phrased that badly! It is only three kids! And only one that I had to actually give birth to.

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poinsetta · 15/05/2012 22:15

I am going to go against the grain here. It is possible you have both got your wires crossed and she is upset about something which she shouldn't be. If you are upset at losing her as a friend I would be inclined to send an email asking what the problem is. It can't get any worse and at least you will know then.

ivanapoo · 15/05/2012 22:16

Do you have another trusted mutual friend you could ask?

Just for your sanity, not so you can patch things up with this wally...

TheSecondComing · 15/05/2012 22:16

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

squeakytoy · 15/05/2012 22:17

If you are upset at losing her as a friend I would be inclined to send an email asking what the problem is.

But the OP has done exactly that, and that was the reply she got.

ivanapoo · 15/05/2012 22:17

Sorry I meant to say ask what her problem is

poinsettia I think her original email already pretty much did that and Lois chose not to answer...

Portofino · 15/05/2012 22:19

Sorry - but I would not let this lie. How about you reply...."Sorry I seem to be missing something here...did I offend you in some way, or delete an email by mistake? I thought we were friends. If that is NOT the case be sure to let me know....."

I don't like all this passive shit. Why should you fret over wording in an email? Life is too bloody short and a REAL friend would not take offence...

oopsi · 15/05/2012 22:21

I don't necessarily think it's anything you've done.It could be something going on in her life, is she in some kind of trouble that she doesn't want to talk about.

perceptionreality · 15/05/2012 22:23

Portofino - I don't think there is any point. I read the email as quite hostile. What's the point in chasing? Would any of us do that to a man who dumped us?

Dropdeadfred · 15/05/2012 22:23

Or why not pick up the phone and call her??

dismissed · 15/05/2012 22:23

Do you have another trusted mutual friend you could ask?
The other couple I mentioned - it was actually their obvious discomfort when her name comes up that made me finally send that email. I did sound the woman in the couple out about it, weeks ago, and she said she didn't know what it was about. I didn't press the issue then, but I think I might tell both of them about the email exchange and see what they say...on the other hand, I don't want them to feel even more awkward and stuck in the middle. Especially if what ruined the friendship with Lois was that she felt stuck between me and Enid - maybe I'd just make things worse by talking about it and should just keep mum.

poinsetta, I will have to see her socially at some point...maybe then I can gauge it better?

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poinsetta · 15/05/2012 22:24

I agree with Portofino - I would want to know what the problem is. She did reply and, in my opinion, hint at being upset by something. That is why I would want to uncross the wires and be sure I hadn't caused the upset by missing an important email she previously sent or something.

perceptionreality · 15/05/2012 22:24

oopsi has a good point - you never know what is going on.

BawdyStrumpet · 15/05/2012 22:25

Yes - why can you not ask what the problem is? You have nothing to lose.

Lovelynewboots · 15/05/2012 22:25

Sorry to sound like an old fogey, but emails are troublesome forms of communication when there are underlying problems or upsets. I think (if you want to get to the bottom of this) you should maybe phone her and arrange to meet if possible to find out what the problem is. If she agrees this maybe closure for you, even if you do not decide to continue the friendship. If she doesn't, then you have your answer as to whether she is worth continuing worrying over. This issue with Enid remains a bit of a confusing one with me, she fell out with your husband but Lois is still friends with her, is that correct? Lois may well have chosen to listen to Enids perception of your husband and some people such as Enid love to stir and cause problems. I am sorry you have been at the brunt of all this as it sounds as though you have been nothing but a good friend.

BawdyStrumpet · 15/05/2012 22:27

Can you ring her? I am personally a huge fan of internet communication, but sometimes you need to speak to your nearest and dearest.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 15/05/2012 22:34

From your OP, it reads that you made some 'casual attempts' and your friend says she did as an 'echo' perhaps, but her reply is cold and it seems to be a 'lot of words with no content'. She's angry about something and that pointed phrase about being 'happy with how things are NOW' is very telling. She's dropped you and doesn't want to talk about it.

Did you try to contact her by phone to arrange a meet up to talk before you sent the e-mail, OP? I think that e-mails can read very wrongly sometimes, not at all the way they're intended - or maybe exactly as they're intended. Face to face is obviously better but far more 'direct' and difficult to do if there's an atmosphere.

Some friendships peter out and sometimes it's one of a twosome that wants 'out' and will take any opportunity to achieve that without having a conversation about it.

Forget her and don't look back, she's not much of a friend to treat your friendship in this cavalier and dismissive manner.

perceptionreality · 15/05/2012 22:37

I think that friendships you make as adults are actually far harder to maintain long term than the ones you made as children.