to not date a Tory?

[bejeezus]

Well...actually I dont care if IABU or not, I just couldnt do it.

What I really want to ask you; if you have Labour/left wing politics could you/would you/are you marry/ have a life partner who has Conservative/right wing politics?

And vice-versa of course?

absolutely whippinggirl.

I don't want to divert the thread massively, but I also want to know what a "tory lifestyle" could possibly be. Do you go to dinners at the local Conservative Club?

My dad used to go to the Con Club. It had a line painted round the bar that the Ladeez couldn't cross...

"It's interesting that the right always call the left naive.

So acknowledging that a lot of people are greedy nasty and selfish, but wouldn't it be good if we worked for a better world, is naive?

I'd call it loving and humanitarian.

Accepting that the world is nasty brutish and capitalist and we should all go hell for leather dog eat dog is far worse."

you may be full of shit, hully, but your ability to pack multiple unexamined assumptions into a very small number of words is remarkable.

You may be humourless, rude and downright unpleasant, RF but your inability to rebut any point with a modicum of intelligence and reason is remarkable.

josephine Im not sure i agree with you-maybe there is more disdain towards the right

My revulsion is due in part because of the lack of compassion; and the ideologies embodied by the MT quote;

' there is no such thing as society'

I cannot stand 'selfish' in any arena.

Imitation is always the sincerest form of flattery.
Keep trying, love.

I never stop trying.

I want the world to be a better place not the nasty place you inhabit, RF

perceptionreality Fri 11-May-12 12:33:47
Hmmthinkingaboutit, I disagree entirely with the sentiment of your post.
You think you shouldn't choose friends and partners 'simply' because of how they vote. But how they vote underpins their entire character, it is not like which brand of tea bags they use!

Where exactly does it leave us swing voters, who have voted for all three parties and do pick the party they vote for based on their taste at that moment in time then?

I don't believe in voting being like supporting a football team. I believe in voting according the policies, people and world we currently live in at that moment in time. Sadly, most people on this thread seem to think everything is set in stone and there is no ground whatsoever in between and have no interest in trying to find that middle ground.

If I ruled people out on that basis, I'd have no friends and I wouldn't be married. I think everyone has something to offer and I wouldn't dismiss them PURELY on how they voted. I would dismiss them on their refusal to accept that even within groups there is a wide range of views and indeed bigotted idiots incapable and unwilling to look at things from various perspectives. Inflexibility and intolerance of anything are the deal breakers for me, not how someone votes ultimately.

I'm pretty much of the opinion, you can nearly always fine some merit in someone else's political opinion even if you generally disagree with their pov. To be dismissive of everything they say, because you have some screwed up stereotype in your head and instead of treating every single person as an individual is cutting off your nose to spite your face.

That must be why you start all those threads calling people you disagree with cunts, hully. You just want to make the world a better place.

Probably not,but then I know I couldn't date an extreme left winger either.They infuriate me too.

That said,I am in a relationship with someone who is from a very similar background to your stereotypical Conservative,but he doesn't vote for them.

Oh dear.

Is that the best you can do?

tsk

Let us unite please (or possibly divide further) by discussing a different political movement. There's such a range, from communism at one end to market-anarchy, at the other.

bejeezus

Have you ever looked at that quote in context? I know that the Looney Left loves to claim that proves Margaret Thatcher was evil, but have you ever read the full quote? Here it is below.

"I think we have gone through a period when too many children and people have been given to understand"I have a problem, it is the Government's job to cope with it!" or"I have a problem, I will go and get a grant to cope with it!" "I am homeless, the Government must house me!" and so they are casting their problems on society and who is society? There is no such thing! There are individual men and women and there are families and no government can do anything except through people and people look to themselves first.

It is our duty to look after ourselves and then also to help look after our neighbour and life is a reciprocal business and people have got the entitlements too much in mind without the obligations..."

She was saying that people should help each other and not wait around for the government to do it.

That's not what Jesus said.

But then he was a bastard communist. No wonder the church did for him.

And she was right. Blind reliance on the state has lead us down a very dark path.

Incidentally, I think there will be another BNP candidate standing in my area next general election. How do I persuade my mother not to vot for him/her/bigot it?

She's started saying that they support women's right to be in the home, and when I said I thought they saw it more as a duty, than a right, she looked at me blankly.

I've tried quoting bits from their website, but she just dismissed me.

I don't care what a person's political stand point is, I would be interested in the way they treat me, and others, and they way I feel about and around them.

Just to clarify, I was raised by a life long labour supporting violent controlling father. Had a staunch left wing abusive boyfriend, as did my sister. Being a Labour supporter doesn't make a person better, it's just their political preference.

Pre WW2 we had workhouses and early death and lots of suffering.

Post WW2, as a result of the war and the suffering before and during, the Beveridge Report was commissioned which suggested that the only way t acieve any kind of fairness was to put in place safety nets. There was agreement by all political parties to introduce free healthcare at the point of need and a free, and standardised, education for all.

This produced a society that kept people fed and alive and even literate. Better than we had ever had.

Now we are going backwards. Now we are going to a very dark place where families are homeless and people are relying on food banks.

And don't bother with the "it was unsustainable." It wasn't and isn't.

TheBigJessie. If she's traditionally a tory then try pointing out that on economic policy the BNP are to the left of Labour. They get called far right because they are nationalists/racists/bigots. In things like housing, health and transport they are normally quite far to the left.

What the last Labour government was doing WAS unsustainable. They were spending more than they had coming in during an economic boom.

Ah, yes. That's part of the problem. She was originally very hard left. Harder left than anyone on this thread! She has always had a bee in her bonnet about "mothers being forced out to work", but none of the political parties ever used it as a platform before, so she voted on other things.

And compared to the labour party she knew in her youth, it's quite right wing now.

What MT did to this country is the reason so many people rely on the state

In what way?

This thread has confirmed both sides of my maxim:-

The left thinks they are on the correct side of a good-evil axis.
The right thinks they are on the correct side of a clever-stupid axis.

Many left-wing posters in this thread for whom it is a given that left = good. If you believe that, then it is easy to justify hatred of the right. To the extent that being a hater makes someone a worse person, ironically this makes the left on average more evil, in my view.

I don't believe peoples stated beliefs are a guide to character. To elaborate, judge people by what they do, not what they say. Most people inherit their beliefs. Hating someone for their stated politics is similar to hating them for their religion.