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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

Or a bit control freak-ish?

105 replies

BrideofGromit · 07/05/2012 13:35

I need perspective on this as I am really aware that I can be prickly due to issues with my own family. I just wonder whether this kind of thing would bother other normal people.

My PILs are basically nice people. But they tend to treat DH and me like children. Some of the stuff they do I consider quite patronising and bit rude and I can't help feeling pissed off, even though behind it all they're just trying to be kind, I think. For example, when they come to visit, they never tell us what time they're going to arrive. The time before last I had to ask MIL about five times when they would actually be arriving before I got a straight answer. She acted as though I was asking something a bit odd by just trying to figure out when they'd be here. This time around DH had to ask them twice and they still didn't give a specific time, just a two-hour window which meant we couldn't bring DS out for a walk in case they arrived. Do other people expect visitors to give a fairly specific ETA (I mean maybe a half hour window) or am I being a bit uptight?

We bought our house not long ago and it needs a lot of work. Anytime PILs visit MIL always tells us what work she is going to do on the house (usually something in the garden) without actually asking if we want it done. Basically she is being helpful but often she takes on massive jobs without having time to finish them so we are left with a mess in the garden which means it's not safe for our toddler to run around. BTW she usually springs her projects on us when she arrives - she comes in with armfuls of gardening tools and then just gets up and starts on it later in the day without asking and without any notion of what we might want to do. Again, it's basically helpful but I know if they're visiting I might as well write the day off as I will be stuck in with DS trying to keep him away from whatever Nanna is doing in the garden. Not my idea of fun.

MIL always either turns up with a ton of food, or ends up buying a ton of food which we end up having to throw out. This is the one that annoys me the most actually. We are grown adults capable of feeding ourselves and for providing guests with lunch and dinner. And yet she turns up with acres of food that we don't want as if the cupboards are going to be bare. One time it was a massive bag of carrots which had to be chucked eventually, last time it was a massive bag of peppers, also chucked, this time it was a massive dish of macaroni cheese which will soon be chucked. It's bizarre and, IMO, rude, to turn up with food that your hosts don't necessarily want.

So hit me with it, AIBU? Would these things annoy you or am I just a bitch? DH listens to my whining about these things with amiable good grace but I do get the sense that he thinks I'm a whingy moaner. He's used to his mother trying to control everything.

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NotMostPeople · 07/05/2012 14:01

Can't you say something along the lines of 'ds adores you so much and you're so good with him he loves playing with you when you come'. Then when she starts on a job you say 'it's kind of you to offer, but I'm sure ds would rather have some quality time with you'.

ChippingInLovesEasterEggs · 07/05/2012 14:01

OH and I think your main problem is with your DH, tell him that's he's not to say 'What do you need' but 'No, please don't do that Mum, we have our own plans for the garden' End of.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 07/05/2012 14:05

The peppers would go floppy, but you could use them in casserole or bolognese etc. You could freeze the macaroni cheese too - it might be an absolute godsend one evening when you are tired and just can't face cooking - microwave it and then brown it under the grill - lovely tasty meal with zero effort.

Perhaps you could sit down with your MIL and talk to her about your plans for the garden - if she knows what you are thinking, she may well direct her efforts towards the goals you want to achieve - and she will know what sort of things you like and don't like.

Eglu · 07/05/2012 14:08

YABabitU.

Timekeeping, just say to them, we need to know as we may be out. Or just go out, and they will have to wait.

The bringing food, that is not a lot of food, it's a bag of one thing, although I can see it is annoying especially when you have said you don't want it. I would have sent the peppers home with them. My Mum literally brings 3 or 4 shopping bags of food to my house when she comes. Again, not necessary, we are perfectly capable of keeping the house stocked. I just chuck it if it goes off and don't worry about it.

The garden thing would piss me off though. You need to speak to your DH about that. Tell him why it is not great for you. I do also think it is rude to start working on somebodys house without asking what they want doing with it, despite obvious good intentions.

CallMeAl · 07/05/2012 14:09

People take food that visitors have brought and bin it in front of them, ordering them to not bring more? Shock How awfully rude ! I would imagine you dont get many visitors with manners like that.

DizzyKipper · 07/05/2012 14:10

Actually I also like to know what times guests are intending to arrive - generally because the house is a mess and I want to know how much time I've got running around like a madwoman getting it in good order before they come. It's also good to know in case I need to go out and do something before they arrive. If people refused to tell me I'd be of the opinion it's their tough luck if I happened to be out. Letting people know what time you intend to arrive is just good manners imo.

Doing stuff around your house - a bit weird. I like to do things around my own house, it would put me out having some one suddenly doing something unannounced in the garden, especially when they're visiting and in theory then meant to be spending the time with me. I guess for me this would seem like an unspoken criticism, as though I couldn't keep the house in order myself and depended on them to do it. I wouldn't feel kindly about this at all.

Bringing food, my mum does this, but generally only cakes or sweetie type things, not ordinary mundane foods which seems a bit odd. I can see that it's them trying to be nice so it probably wouldn't bother me so much, but it does seem unnecessary.

Floggingmolly · 07/05/2012 14:11

It depends, really. If you actually object to the work in the garden, I mean let her know you don't want it and she bulldozes on, then yes, yanbu.
If you bite your lip, however, she probably has no idea she is not being as helpful as she intends.
The other stuff sounds ok, what's your issue with the food? I doubt she really imagines you're not capable of providing those things for yourself.
If you're going to confront her with how it makes you feel, I'd do it gently because it really sounds like she's being over helpful with the best of intentions rather than deliberately domineering.

Elephantsteaparty · 07/05/2012 14:11

In the old days the lack of specificity re eta would annoy me, but now I'm lucky if I can pin people down to a day, so two hours here or there is nothing! But I fully understand where you're coming from and don't think it's odd at all for you to want to know.

With regards to the food, could you plan to make soup the day after they're there? Then you'll have enough lunches to last you til their next visit! It doesn't sound too bad (other than the buying you something you've said you don't need) - my OH's folks bring bags of stuff which, though sweet, can get rather awkward with regard to storage etc!

But I'd have to put my foot down wrt the doing the jobs she wants to do! I think OH's folks think I'm a control freak, esp as I banned them from the kitchen last time they were here. But it's my kitchen and I get unbelieveably antsy if someone else tries to take over cooking (washing up is another matter, though!). So I do tend to lay down the ground rules whenever anyone is here, and don't worry what they think!

Is there any way you could cut her off at the pass, and when she says she wants to do x in the garden, say you have other plans for that patch but if she wouldn't mind doing y you'd be really grateful. Then you can give her something small which will get finished, and hopefully cleared away as well.

Failing that, why don't you plan going out for the duration, to a museum, cafe or similar...?

BrideofGromit · 07/05/2012 14:12

To be honest it would be far more helpful if they would come along and look after DS for the day by taking him out or just by staying in the house so that DH and I could get on with working on the house or even -shock horror- go out for a few hours on our own. MIL plies us with tonnes of food but it doesn't seem to occur to her that seeing as they are our only family nearby a bit babysitting would be good.

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AceOfBase · 07/05/2012 14:13

Yes they do go a bit floppy but you can put them straight in the pan from frozen and cook them and you won't tell the difference. You can generally do that with most fresh veg. It seems a shame that you're chucking stuff out when you could use it at a later date. Same with stuff she made you. Just think of it as a readymeal for when you're being lazy. Christ you can freeze cakes and stuff too!

Onlyaphase · 07/05/2012 14:14

Everything you have described would massively annoy me too. Especially the gardening. And the food thing. But I do have Monica-like leanings as regards my house.

My PIL would like to be like yours, but I am a stroppy mare who has no hesitation in letting them know that I'm not comfortable with things. I say things like "No, I haven't decided what I want to do with that bit of the garden yet, so can you leave it please" "Look, I'd really appreciate your help after we know what we are doing, so can you leave my garden alone for now. Thanks"

The food thing is odd though - why didn't you give her the peppers to take away if she'd bought them knowing you didn't want them? If she didn't take them, you can tell her they are going to be dumped in the bin, and then use that as a reminder next time she buys something you don't want. To be honest I'd have said something at the checkout about not wanting the peppers or whatever, and then refused to make room for them in my fridge. Actually, not only am I stroppy but childish too.

They do treat my SIL exactly like you though, and they just put up with it.

Happyasapiginshite · 07/05/2012 14:15

YABU, but I can see where you're coming from.

  1. Food- they're just being kind. It's not that they think there's no food in your house, they just don't don't want to arrive empty handed.
  1. Time- You've asked more than once what time they're arriving at. So go and do whatever you want to do and if they arrive, they can wait. Next time they'll see the point of committing to a time.
  1. Jobs- just get your DH to understand that you don't want them to undertake big projects and have him gently tell them.
diddl · 07/05/2012 14:16

If they won´t give you a time-how about you give them one?

Food-give it back if you won´t use it.

Garden-talk to husband.

AmberLeaf · 07/05/2012 14:17

Other than these issues do you like your PILs?

BrideofGromit · 07/05/2012 14:19

Yes and no Amber. FIL is a grumpy git but I can deal with him. MIL is a nice person but I wish to the dear lord she would bloody relax. She stresses me out with her fussing and her need to be doing stuff all the time.

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nizlopi · 07/05/2012 14:20

the time thing would annoy me, but the other stuff... not so much

Bunbaker · 07/05/2012 14:24

I agree with diddl. I don't know how far your ILs have to travel but we can never state a specific time of arrival when we go to stay with MIL because it depends on the traffic. It takes anything between 2.5 and 4 hours to get to her house.

My mother nad MIL used to do this - turn up to stay with the contents of their own fridges. I had to tell them both categorically that any food they brought with her would be immediately binned. And I did bin it a couple of times. They got the message

when we go and stay with MIL over Christmas/Easter or she comes to us we/she always bring the remaining stalk of broccoli/2 carrots/spare pint of milk or whatever needs using up. We hate waste and wouldn't want to leave these items in the fridge to go off, so they might as well be used. Sorry, but I think YABU.

NarkedPuffin · 07/05/2012 14:27

Arrival time? A two hour window is ok. Go for a walk. Just tell them to phone you on your mobile if you're not in when they arrive - if they give a wide window it's fine to expect them to wait 5/10 minutes to be let in.

Food? Live with it. It sounds like it's done out of love.

Garden - this is the one I'd pick to challenge. It's your garden, not hers, and if she really wants to garden, it would be much better for her to do something she has time to finish and doesn't make the garden out of bounds for your DC.

AmberLeaf · 07/05/2012 14:28

I think peoples idiosyncrasies are more irritating when you dont much care for them anyway!

I can see why you find it all a bit annoying but really I dont think they are that bad and its all obviously well meaning.

It must be hard for your DH too in that hes stuck in the middle of people he loves and is possibly expected to pick sides?

pictish · 07/05/2012 14:29

My mother nad MIL used to do this - turn up to stay with the contents of their own fridges. I had to tell them both categorically that any food they brought with her would be immediately binned. And I did bin it a couple of times. They got the message

Now I do think that's a bit harsh. What effort is it to make polite noises? Why does it even have to be an issue?
What is it that people take from it as being something to get annoyed about? What do they think it's really saying?

I can't, however I try, see the offering of food as offensive.

Antidote · 07/05/2012 14:31

I don't think yabu, those sorts of things would gradually irritate me.

I would manage them as follows:

  1. Tell them when you are going out & when you'll be back.
  2. Give them back unwanted / unused food at the end of the visit. Do this with a smile & tell her honestly that you don't want it to go to waste (alternatively get a compost bin)
  3. With the garden, I would beat her to it. Talk over lunch about what your plans are for the garden, and ask her to entertain DS while you plant potatoes etc.
BrideofGromit · 07/05/2012 14:33

I don't find the food offering offensive, I find it more annoying and off putting. It's almost as if when she comes into my house MIL thinks she is the one in charge, so she decides what needs to be bought, she decides what we're having for lunch etc. I am trying to change that somewhat - for example yesterday I told her I needed to buy DS shoes so if she could drive us out to mothercare it would be really helpful. She did it, but then complained later that she didn't have time to do her gardening!

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ivykaty44 · 07/05/2012 14:35

arrival time - tell them to text you half an hour before they expect to arrive, then you will be home for when they get to your house.

food - oh goodness you keep bringing me all this food but I don't know what to do with it - last time it ended up in the bin as I had already got so much food in stock and it seems such a waste.

I have plans for the garden so it would be silly of you to start something that then gets dug over or flattened, best leave that as we have nice plans anyway (make sure you have a walk, trip to the park, trip to coffee shop planned)

BrideofGromit · 07/05/2012 14:37

I suppose when it comes down to it what bothers me is not knowing what's going on in my own house. I don't know what food she's going to turn up with, I don't know what time they'll arrive, I don't know what jobs MIL will start and not finish, I don't know how long they're going stay. Oh and another thing that pisses me off massively is that they hint strongly about the programmes that they want to watch in the evening and if we watch something they're not keen on they talk and make fun of it throughout. I've tried to stop that by pausing the programme every time they talk, which is helping.

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SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 07/05/2012 14:38

Bride - have you asked your MIL to babysit for you? If you have, and she's ignored this request, that would be odd and rude of her - but if she hasn't, maybe she is waiting to be asked? Or maybe she's not a mindreader and doesn't know you want her to babysit, or that you don't want her to do the garden?

Communication is key. Firstly you have to talk to your dh and ask him not to just let her loose in the garden without any idea of what she's doing, and secondly you have to talk to your MIL about the gardening and the food and the babysitting. If you haven't said anything to her, she may well be thinking that you are happy with things as they are - like I said, probably not a mind reader.

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