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To think my son should not have to laugh this off

103 replies

conkercon · 04/05/2012 16:27

DS is just a week off of 16. He is openly gay and came out just over a year ago. He had to because he was getting bullied at school about being gay so he figured that if he came right out and said he was then what could the bullies say to that.

I have found in my experience that some teenage boys are the worst homophobes there are. My DS has had to put up with a lot of name calling, he can't use the toilet facilities at school without fear of water being thrown over him and other horrible things. But he has held his head up high and got on with his school life and is about to start his exams.

Today in a lesson the kids had to write down three things they would like to put in room 101. One boy asked if he could read his out. His were the KKK (fantastic), child abuse (wonderful) and gays! He had the cheek to turn to my DS and say "no offence DS". The conversation went on and this boy's reasoning was that gay people can't have children so what is the point of them. Obviously an idiot, but what has infuritated me is the teacher did absolutely nothing about it. He apparently was laughing although I actually think he maybe just did not know what he was supposed to do. I have met him at parents evenings and he seems okay. Never had to discuss anything like this though.

Some of the other kids started laughing and patting this kid on the back and my son just felt humiliated although he did not and would never let them see that.

If another child had said this and the word gays was replaced with Black, Asian, Disabled, Jewish, Muslim or anything like this he would probably have been excluded. But he is expected to laugh it off.

Would I be unreasonable to speak to the school about this?

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porcamiseria · 04/05/2012 16:52

yanbu

they should NOT tolerate shit like this

YANBU, AT ALL

Yorkpud · 04/05/2012 16:54

YANBU - he should expect support from his class teacher. I think the boy that made those comments should have been made to feel bad not your son.

You must be very proud of your son, he sounds like he will go far.

conkercon · 04/05/2012 16:56

Thanks for all your comments.

I am going to talk to the school. I am glad I am not the only one shocked.

I am not trying to blame the teacher as such because I have no reason to believe he is in any way homophobic. However, I think he handled it badly.

My ds is great. He does not want either teacher or kid to get into trouble. He just wants them educated. And my younger DS said that the school should have an assembly on homophobia. Younger DS gets a bit of stick from some idiots as well because he has a gay brother. Grrrr!

An opportunity missed, but let's see what the school say. I will talk to one of the deputy heads who I know is excellent with this sort of thing.

Thanks again for the support. Sometimes I worry that I am too close to the situation to look at it objectively.

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FarloRigel · 04/05/2012 16:56

YANBU! Your son sounds like a very brave and dignified young man who has handled this situation brilliantly but deserves so much more support. I'm Angry for him. The other kids need educated out of this prejudiced thinking not given tacit approval for it.

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 04/05/2012 16:58

Homophobia is a hate crime and the school should be taking it as seriously as it would racism and sexism.

It soon stops being a joke, perhaps you should remind the teacher of this case
Ian Baynham

AdoraBell · 04/05/2012 16:58

Ask for a meeting with the teacher and head. Outrageous enough that he's being bullied, but as you said - teenage boys- but the teacher was bang out of order.

I'm so glad, though, your son has your support, that's going to make his life so much easier.

PandaWatch · 04/05/2012 16:59

If the teacher was not expecting, out of a class of teenage boys doing a "Room 101", for at least one of them to say something deliberately and/or ignorantly contraversial he is at best naive and at worst wholly incompetent. He should have been fully prepared to deal with this and, where appropriate, change the course of the lesson to properly address the issues raised.

I'm Angry for your DS OP x

Tabliope · 04/05/2012 17:00

Definitely speak to the school. Your DS shouldn't have to go through that. Can it be handled in such a way by the school though that it doesn't look like any talk they have is obviously as a direct result of you having phoned up the school though? It would be horrible if it backfires on your son with the bad comments increasing if they feel he's snitched. The teacher should have taken that opportunity to have taught them something although perhaps he was taken aback and couldn't think quick enough.

Tabliope · 04/05/2012 17:02

There was also some poor boy in the DM the other day that killed himself because of gay taunts. Horrific. They really should clamp down on this. It's so common this taunt of being gay - it's used so much by boys of a certain age. My DS has experienced it too.

Mrsjay · 04/05/2012 17:06

YANBU and your son should not have to put up with that I really thought kids were more tolerant these days seems not , DD has a friend who came out they are 14/15 dd is fine with it some of the others are not , Go to the school your son should not have to put up with this , I know its not right but kids get picked on and they have found out then this is something to be picked on , but please dont put up with it , its not funny

on another note my friends son has told her he is Bi , his 20 yr old brother wants to take him to a strip club to make him straight Shock I dont understand the ignorance ,

conkercon · 04/05/2012 17:06

Kladdkka that is a very interesting link and I have sent it to DS. It is something I have always said to him. If you are happy in your own skin then you aren't bothered by what someone else is or does as it isn't going to affect you in any way.

I could list some many things that have happened since ds came out but you would all be bored or reading it for a week.

One of the most hurtful was one boy who is just a friend asked if ds could sleepover. The mum said no because he is gay and you might be influenced. I used to be friends with this woman when the kids were young. I don't see her very often now, but one day I will have my say and advise her that you can't catch gayness like it's a cold.

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runningforthebusinheels · 04/05/2012 17:07

YADNBU OP - I'm Angry for you and your ds. This is exactly the time that homophobia needs to be countered and all these stupid prejudices dispelled. I do hope you get a good response from the school.

Floggingmolly · 04/05/2012 17:08

I'd have the teacher's head on a plate for this.

Lily livered wanker, he'd have known exactly what he should have done.

imnotmymum · 04/05/2012 17:09

This cannot be allowed to happen. It is disgusting. Words fail me

nancerama · 04/05/2012 17:09

YANBU. I am Sad on behalf of both your sons. What a great mum you are though - you've raised a mature, confident son who is proud to be himself.

ThisIsANickname · 04/05/2012 17:12

Actually, I think it's difficult.

It sounds like this was an opinion piece and (although his opinions are disgusting, in my opinion) that student should be allowed to voice the opinions he has.

I am sorry your son is having a difficult time.

ApocalypseThen · 04/05/2012 17:16

Congratulations on having such a mature, thoughtful and kind young man for a son - the manner in which he is dealing with this could teach us all a lesson. He really is a fine boy.

Bullying of this kind is disgusting and really should have no place in school. This might sound bad, but it's clear that your son has the support from home, the intelligence and the emotional maturity to at least come to terms with the stupidity and nastiness he has encountered - but there are probably other kids in that class who haven't got any of those advantages and are trying to come to terms with their sexuality on their own. Schools should never let that type of situation go. You simply do not know how many people suffer when remarks of that nature are made, and not everyone has a family who they can turn to for love, support and understanding.

Brightspark1 · 04/05/2012 17:20

There's a difference between opinion and abuse/ bullying of someone just because he is who he is. It sounds the same as being expected to take racist comments as 'only having a laugh'.
The fact that your DS is handling it so well is a reflection on you, you must be so proud of him?

ForkInTheForeheid · 04/05/2012 17:21

That's awful OP, teacher should have dealt with it. I work in a school and if I hear any homophobic language (or racist or sexist or whatever) I immediately address it. Many children (perhaps not the boy in this case) use offensive language from a position of ignorance and just need some guidance and explanation. It should never go unchallenged IMO.

Pendeen · 04/05/2012 17:23

"... Homophobia is a hate crime ...^

No it is not.

Here is a definition of 'hate crime.'

sugarice · 04/05/2012 17:24

Complain to the Head. Hope your boy is okay.

gafhyb · 04/05/2012 17:32

this is how one inner London School has tackled homophobia

I believe this school now offers training to other schools

MardyArsedMidlander · 04/05/2012 17:34

Th e t eacher should have a) ripped that kid a new one and b) pointed out that he was unbelievably ignorant. Of course gay people can have children!- how thick would you have to be to think they can't??

Surely the whole point of education is also to educate people out of their ignorance?

IsItMeOr · 04/05/2012 17:38

Your poor DS. Absolutely not on.

Perhaps you could direct the school to these excellent resources from Stonewall.

I was horrified and upset to learn that Stonewall have just found that 10% of gay and bisexual men aged 16-19 have attempted suicide in the past year.

The teacher is probably, and should be, ashamed of himself for letting this happen.

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 04/05/2012 17:41

Pendeen

Yes it is - sexual orientation is covered

Did you scroll down to the bit that said

"What is homophobic crime?

Any criminal offence which is perceived, by the victim or any other person, to be motivated by a hostility or prejudice based on a person's sexual orientation or perceived sexual orientation."

I am really puzzled by your post as it blatently inaccurate. Did you mean to post something else?

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