Jeremy Kyle - educational or exploitative?

[FruitPastillesForever]

Aibu to think that JK could be educational on any level? I.e. preventing people from making the same mistakes or do you think it's purely exploiting vulnerable people?

I used to hate it, but now I wonder if there is any benefit to it for some people. It doesn't discuss issues like domestic violence, child neglect, addiction and responsibility, but does it do it in a way that has any positive impact? Just wondered what the genera consensus was, as most people in real life slate it but someone must be watching it...

Jeremy takes advantage of people who really can't defend themselves. He is very articulate; he knows that, and it's awful to watch the way he allows people to humiliate themselves. I just don't get it to be honest.

I agree BeerTricks, I hope that people were moved to gain help by watching today, but I doubt it, I wouldn't want to go and see someone and tell them I was ill if I thought they were going to scream at me and speak to me like an idiot.

pinkie29 do you think it might have highlighted how using sex to make yourself feel better can cause you to end up in a very unenviable position?

I don't think he was speaking to the girl like she was an idiot... She was convinced that she would be ok. He told her in no uncertain terms that she wouldn't be ok. Don't we all need that sometimes. I've seen many threads in relationships that do just that.

I know the audience adds to the expliotation element. But in life people are sometimes more affected my social judgement and ridicule than gentle persuasion from loved ones. The advice on JK is never bad. It's a fact that people are strongly influenced by social norms, like how you behave differently if someone is watching you... Isn't it part of the human condition? We are a social species and we live by certain rules in order to live together successfully. Surely JK is an extreme method but maybe that's what some people need when they don't learn those social norms from the people around them.

"They don't need protection. They need the help of rl agencies who know what they are doing"

Unfortunatly adult services are non existant in a lot of areas, so there is no where to turn to in RL.

So maybe JK is a symptom of a failing society. Society doesn't help them but JK does with the obvious costs associated with humiliating yourself on tv. Maybe turning a blind eye to JK isn't altruistic at all, unless you are actively trying to help people in real life. His show obviously fulfills a need right now, not necessarily in an ethical way but it's funding the help the guests get. Where else would the guests get that level of support when there's no funding or interest in social stories that are depressing but not tragic enough to warrant government intervention?

beertricks, I'm not determined to see a correlation at all, but I haven't heard much to the contrary.

The people on JK are not 'the extreme' in some regions, they are showing typical lifestyles.

beertricks it is an assumption that they have been used and dropped back to square one... Do anyone of us really know what happens...

"They've been picked up, paraded for 15 minutes and dropped back to square one"

They are promised aftercare and there is evidence that it is given. I disagree that they are the most vulnerable people in society, some of them are disadvantaged in lots of ways, but they are not vulnerable.

I am not often home when it's on but do get the occasional guilty pleasure from it.

On of my biggest issues with him though is the way he reacts to cannabis. Anyone who ever uses cannabis on Kyle has a problem and is paranoid - their view / perspective is tossed out the window whilst their opposer might be drinking 8 WKDs a night, every night and it might not even warrant a mention.

Not trying to imply drugs or alcohol are good, but he does seem to have an irrational bias against cannabis users (a bit like some of the US chat shows I've seen seem to equate 'I drink regularly' or 'I was screaming drunk on X occasion' with being an alcoholic in need of a 12 step programme).

Why do you think people only watch it as entertainment, personally if I watch it, it's because I find their stories interesting. How did they get into that situation, how does it affect them, how will they get out of it. Many people have shit happen to them, it's about how you deal with it that counts.

fruitpastiellforever I think it highlighted the stupidity and embarrassment caused by not using protection and having multiple partners, who knows why she had unprotected sex with 3 or more men, drink? Drugs? Desperation? honestly what must these girls and boys parents think? It's shameful and worst part is a child has been brought into that environment where that kind of lifestyle is acceptable

beertricks I just read that article and i have to say it really reminds me of mn. The whole working the person up to a confrontation and wanting to know how it turns out... Ive seen that many times on mn in the last 3 years.

pinkie I agree, it's shameful, but she didn't learn it was shameful from the people she knew...she had to see it on JK..

'Oi Its called the JEREMY KYLE show so shut it'

'why don't you get off your lazy backside and get a job?'

His latest 'oh FACEBOOK!' eyeroll

It's exploitative but I still love it I think it would make an amazing drinking game

beertricks yes I can honestly say I did... The whole phenomena IMHO is human nature, try to fight it as you might. It's not just JK that's unethical... It is displayed in most human interaction. Sorry to bust the bubble that mn is somehow above it.

Not forgetting

FACT!

Put something on the end of it!