Aibu? to be pissed off at this: "The cost and social implications of using an infant milk should be considered when deciding how to feed your baby."

[Selyna]

WTF do Hipp mean by social implications?

Both methods of feeding a baby are acceptable so fuck off with the whole acting like ff is poison! my dd is perfectly fine but i hate this constant making me feel like a failure because i failed to bf although i tried so so hard!

Hilly: "Just like people who avoid vaccines, or fluoride in toothpaste, or preservatives in food or GM ingredients - they come at it from a very privileged angle of having only lived in the modern first world, where we have pretty much eradicated all the problems these things were designed to alleviate. It is much the same with FF."

That's a really weird analogy, because it is in the developing world that FF does the real damage. Formula milk kills millions of babies in developing countries. Odd to see bf as the choice of the privileged when, actually, it's formula milk that is the choice of the privileged - people who have access to clean water, kettles and sterilising equipment.

sorry, I meant 'expressing was a time consuming (not confusing!) nightmare.'

looks like I won't be getting that apology. Infuriating that she can completely misquote me to say the opposite of what I actually said, and then berate me for it.
Ah well, at least my original comment still stands.

Still on your high horse...demanding this and that stealth

More women should be breastfeeding, but that's rarely (nevrr?) Down the woman not trying hard enough. Lack of support. Lack of help.

How else could the above be interpreted...and you DID say on another post...that you hate that some mothers FF because they can see how much the baby is having.

No apology forthcoming from me...because you really don't deserve one.

Yes I think so. IMo. It's like putting a warning on a banana saying its not as good for you as an orange.

Suggest that if you meant the entire opposite, that you re-phrase your posts to that effect. Oddly enough though, your statements seemed to fit in very well with the general thrust of your posts.

Why should more
Women be breastfeeding?

Women can make their own (informed) minds up.

I don't
Know why people don't just carry on with their BF if they want and stop being outraged on everyone else's behalf? I don't see why people get so pissed of by other women's choices

If we applied that across the board then there would be health warnings emblazoned over everything in life. I was curious and I asked, and got a right old drubbing for doing so.

sausages, what do you think I said? You have quoted me in full there, but in an earlier post you implied that I had said bf rates are low because women are not trying hard enough - which, to clarify, I did not say.

What exactly do you take issue with?

Oh and btw apologising when you have misrepresented someone is basic courtesy,.

midori do you know why they only asked half as many woman that had ,had breast cancer as that didnt......that doesnt seem to be a particularly effective method of gauging a group of people.

I meant exaclty what I said.

Low breastfeeding rates are rarely, if ever, down to "women not trying hard enough"

What, tell me, is wrong with that?

it also says that having more than one child reduces the risk of cancer but we dont tell woman that only having one child might give you cancer.

"sausagesandmarmelade Fri 04-May-12 12:03:31
Suggest that if you meant the entire opposite, that you re-phrase your posts to that effect. Oddly enough though, your statements seemed to fit in very well with the general thrust of your posts.
"

So you're making this personal. What are the general thrust of my posts? Please reply as I'd appreciate the chance to defend myself againsty some vile and vague insinuations.

I hate that women are not supported to breastfeed when they want to.
I do not believe that low rates are down to women not trying hard enough.

Clear? Or are you going to do a paste job to change what I've said again?

Stranded women's
Feel shit about ff because everywhere we look we are berated with the breast is best message, we are told beast is natural, therefore we are unnatural. We are
Told bf is comforting, implying we can't comfort our babies.

Can you honestly not see why some women feel down and depressed when bf doesn't Work for them.

Good point duffedup!

who was that to Kayano?

A risk to me is a specific danger from using a product. Not that other things may be a bit better for you.

although we are on different sides of this debate I also think stealth didn't say that and it has been twisted

It was to stranded. I may have replied to a very early post in error though lol

What a pleb.

It's because I was ff innit

kayano you are such a ff chavy pleb.

wow, 400+posts? I only started this thread yesterday

Reading replies now.

OK, Hilly, apology accepted :)
In another post you say "Statistics like '90% of mothers say they stopped before they wanted to' mean nothing whatsoever unless you expand on exactly what they said, and why they stopped."

Precisely, and you can judge for yourself if you find the Infant Feeding surveys, done every 5 years in the UK, independently (not by a 'pro bf organisation' at all, but commissioned by the UK health departments (all of them) and respected internationally).

Mothers consistently emerge with about 90 per cent of them who stopped in the first 6 weeks saying they stopped before they wanted to, and the ones who stopped before they wanted to are in a clear majority up to about 6 mths - you're right to say this is a bit bald, because they may have been really glad to stop if they were miserable bf.

In fact, the question asked is more nuanced than this. They are asked an open question 'why did you stop breastfeeding?' and there are about 10 reasons they give (it's not tick-boxy - these are open questions and the researchers then categorise them; no surprises there, it's stuff like sore nipples, not enough milk, baby feeding too often). One of the reasons is 'because I had breastfed for as long as I wanted to' and that's where the 90 per cent comes from - only 10 per cent give this answer.

Some survey answering is post-rationalisation - there's no recorded answer for 'my mother in law was hassling me' or 'my partner was jealous', just two reasons I occasionally hear from women who are having real wobbles about continuing. So no survey can tell the whole story.

It's also perfectly believeable that some women really did not want to bf for all that long, and give the reason 'not enough milk' and not 'because I had breastfed for as long as I wanted to' . But there's no arguement with the fact that many women do stop because of a poor experience, and would have liked to have had a better one.

Thank you Kayano. She didn't even need to twist my words, just choose not to show the bit where I said I don't think that...
I'm going to have to go now as my blood pressure is through the roof. This stuff matters to me. If people think that is what I think about low bf rates, then that bothers me. I can no longer engage with someone who lacks basic comprehension skills, or chooses to make it seem as though I have said something I haven't for...what, exactly? I don't know. Can only assume this is personal or down to a lack of ability to keep an argument about the subject.