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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

to not feed my children?

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oohlordylordy · 25/04/2012 17:28

My children are 3(coming up 4) and 2 (coming up 3).

They both require me to feed them in order for eat anything approaching 'decent' food.

I have made a lovely stew tonight. Neither will eat it. Both are looking for crisps.

Am I really being unreasonable to give them 20 minutes to eat it and then make them wait until breakfast till they get another thing?

(They would eat it if I spooned it into their mouths but I'm getting a bit tired of this now)

SO... AIBU?

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Belleflowers · 27/04/2012 23:40

mine are same age

  1. i had to say no biscuits from the shop tomorrow if you dont eat your lunchbox sandwiches - it worked
  1. i have to remember tea at 5pm, but in order to get them to eat it - i have to let them run around ithe garden or park between 2 and 4 or 3 and 4pm. They need to build up an appetite!

Also - NO snacks in between meals - This made a HUGE difference - i just say cheerily!!!!- nooooo we are having dinner in 60 minutes!!!! or whatever...they giggle and run off to play

little chancers always trying to get a biscuit!! BE STRONG BUT CHEEERFUL!!L if they see you get stressed, THEY GET STRESSED and just mess about more

stay smiling and keeep chatting about their day, your friends, anything at dinner - and just eat with them too - the 3 of us always eat together and it's where we bond most although it is a battle sometimes but i just keep the conversation on other topics other than eating/food/bribes to eat etc.

also - closing my eyes and telling them who can eat up first before i open my eyes REALLY brings a quiet (competitive) atmosphere!!! and they usually gobble it up if they see you cant see them!!!

mathanxiety · 28/04/2012 01:17

Justaboutisnowakiwi, so far there is only the suspicion that SN may be the case with the DS here.

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cityangel · 28/04/2012 01:45

Mine are the same age and I don't think it's unreasonable. I find sitting down with them whilst I eat lots of the same meal and talking about something unrelated to food helps - whilst finding the will power to ignore food control whining. Leaving them to go and run the bath usually results in better food eating. I have also had to concede that there are some foods that they really don't like if being tried for the first time like asparagus.

We don't have any kiddie crisps/ packet snacks in the house and they only expect crisps at birthday parties. For us if its in the house it gets eaten. If its unhealthy it gets chosen over and above fruit etc. So I just don't buy it. When they eat crap their behaviour reflects it anyway so its even more motivation for me to avoid it.

Morloth · 28/04/2012 06:32

Yes justabout hence my qualifying statement, the DS having ASD doesn't mean that he isn't trying it on though, the kids I know with SNs are still kids and kids are often a pain in the arse.

The OP asked if she would be unreasonable to NOT feed them, I think she wouldn't be based on my experiences with kids, others think getting anything in is better than nothing, that's the way it works.

There isn't any 'right' way, but it sound like the current arrangements are not working hence the thread.

oohlordylordy · 28/04/2012 11:12

I agree, Morloth, SN or no SN... DS is very clever and can be very manipulative. And, there have been occasions when he is definitely playing on the fact he 'can get away with things' and there are occasions when we let him get away with more than we would with our DD (even though sheis 14 months younger).

I do value all of your opinions, as DS is a bit of an open case at the moment. As I mentioned, he isn't your average NT child, but he doesn't really fit any other box either but I have gained some useful advice from this thread.

  1. No snacks / crisps in the house
  2. I will continue to spoonfeed the foods I want him to eat (this is, basically, fruit and veggies)
  3. I will not continue to spoonfeed the foods I'm less bothered about (pasta, rice etc)

I think it was Morloth who asked about DS's health... he is doing much better now (since he turned 3) but up until then, he was very sickly. COnstantly getting tonsilitis (every 6 weeks near enough), ear, nose and throat infections, chesty coughs. This had many knock on effects because he did learn to 'play' these infections to get out of things he didn't want to do (he has NEVER participated in any group acitivity. He got out of 3 nurseries by various methods - the last one, he worked out that if he was sick, he would get sent home. By the final week, I literally didn't bother attempting to leave the car park. Within minutes of being left, I would get the call to ask me to collect him and after 3 weeks, they asked me to take him out. That has, in various different ways, been played out in every class / group / nursery he's been in.

Thankfully, the nursery he is enrolled in now are 'working with us' so to speak so he's been there 2 mornings a week for the last month. But he REFUSES to eat or drink anything from there and largely just ignores the other kids.

Sorry, this has turned into a slightly rather remit than whether my kids should eat their dinner, but I really do appreciate all the advice.

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oohlordylordy · 28/04/2012 11:14

But, if any of you need a run down on the finer points of, say, a pendolino or The Flying Scotsman (His two favourite trains), he's your boy! Grin

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oohlordylordy · 28/04/2012 11:16

larger not rather!!!

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mathanxiety · 29/04/2012 06:47

DS went to a preschool three mornings a week at age 4 where he didn't interact much with the other children. He would eat his snack but refused to sit anywhere near them. Had to sit where no-one could see him eating. He adored the teacher and would do drawings for her at home of random things that caught his fancy or things like our new car, and present her with them silently each day. He went to the particular place I sent him to because he had refused to go to the same school building where his older sister was going. He ate cheerios for about one year, plus some dinner and cold deli meats, when he was about 18 months, maybe 2...

oohlordylordy · 30/04/2012 19:52

I know I'm so far off topic now, it's untrue, but if any of you are still listening, I need to 'vent' in a safe environment...

I took DS to nursery today. For the first time (ever!) he actually seemed keen to go. He was happy going in. Got to his room and he dropped to his knees and pretended to be a dog. NO urging on my part could stop him Sad

I take him after breakfast, as he disrupts mealtimes and I feel this is not fair to the kids whose parents are expecting them to eat there, but the children were still sitting at the tables.

One boy shouted 'Oh, look, it's the naughty boy'. A girl said to her friend 'don't let him sit next to us' (there was a spare chair next to her friend)
Another said something along the lines of not wanting to play with DS (he spoke more quietly and I didn't hear)

I feel really heartbroken. DS DOES want to have friends. But the way he goes about it is all wrong. He doesn't wait for THEM to say they want to play a game and he plays a game his way, without even trying to convey the rules to others.

He came home with a massive bruise and black eye which the nursery didn't mention (I didn't notice till we were driving home). He told me he did it, no one else, so I can only believe him.

Feel so sad for him. Sad

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mathanxiety · 02/05/2012 16:08

I used to babysit a child who didn't play well. She had been pretty much exclusively cared for by her grandmother since birth and hadn't had much of a chance to play with other children besides very limited interaction with strangers in the playground, up to age 5. There was a language barrier too. She would arrive at my door in full character as Scooby Doo or some other tv persona and DD4 could either take it or leave it. (She was able to pick up a bit of whatever was on tv or follow the plot somehow). DD4 (same age and in class with this child) being the youngest in my family was used to being something of a follower but occasionally she looked a bit Hmm at all the barking and the ghosts and monsters and secret tunnels.

When they went outside to play they would make collections of insects, sticks, stones, worms, slugs, etc., and needed boxes and containers and other items from the house constantly -- I know DD4 wasn't behind any of this. She was a girl who if left to her own devices liked the swing and her scooter and was happy to draw or play with chalk or do puzzles, and the DCs all knew I wasn't available at all times to drop everything and instantly supply bits and bobs they needed for games. I gradually weaned her off the idea that I was her right hand man waiting for the next instruction to facilitate her imagination and introduced the suggestion of making do with what they had to hand, in the shed or elsewhere outdoors, for homes for their various captives and collections. I also introduced her to skating, scootering, riding a tricycle (she hadn't done any of these things at home as her grandmother was afraid she would bolt or fall).

At age 7ish she discovered various fantasy book series such as Eragon, Harry Potter, etc., so thankfully the Scooby Doo days were firmly behind her. Initially she annoyed the other children in school with that just as much as she had with the Scooby Doo thing, but over time she found one or two kindred spirits who also loved dragons. She learned through rebuffs, often quite blunt, in the school playground that not everyone was as enamoured with things that fascinated her as she was, and that even the kindred spirits liked to talk about Other Stuff sometimes. She figured out how to negotiate, to read others a good deal better than she did when she was 5 (at that age she behaved as if she was about 3 with the intellect of a 7 yo), to co-operate better in games of make believe that others started, and to function better in a group. She is still quite a 'strong' character but that will stand to her in the end of course.

For her it was a matter of practice with other children and the grandparents accepting that she would be upset and frustrated several times a week and expecting her to get on with it. They were happy with her progress and had recognised that there was a problem -- she really was very full-on and persistent but allowing her to dominate their days was something they had brought on themselves in many ways; the grandfather was more tuned in to this than the grandmother but they both said it to me. Their hope for her in school was that she would become more rounded socially and learn English.

I suppose my point is that children are a bit hardier than they appear and that parents need to keep the goal of a child who can function in a group in mind and not let various blind spots of their own keep the child back from developing on the social and emotional front. Children can learn a lot from other children and will develop resilience and social skills if they are allowed to.

I would be concerned about a bruise and black eye. I would also be concerned about comments that are nasty and children allowed to exclude others. Whoever is in charge needs to be a bit more watchful than that and try to create a better environment, and leadership is very important as Justabout says. However, I would not expect every child to like a child the way a parent does, and parents should expect that their child will learn that by experience. You don't do a child of 3-5 a favour by allowing them to persist in behaviour that doesn't take into account the ultimate goals of functioning in a group and self care including dressing and feeding.

Since feeding is a problem, I wonder if it would help to bring him to nursery for breakfast instead of afterwards. That way, he might learn to feed himself as the others do and he would not be seen as the latecomer. How disruptive is he to breakfast time, and what does the disruption consist of? How do the staff deal with his disruption?

Would a Montessori nursery or school be an option for your DS? An element of 'self direction' can be better accommodated in the Montessori setting than in a more traditional nursery or school environment.

oohlordylordy · 02/05/2012 17:23

Mathanxiety - It is supposed to be a Montessori nursery Confused

The bruise has gone. What worries me is that he cannot tell me how it happened. I worry about him such a lot around other kids. I had a playdate with some other children recently and DS got the blame (from the other kids) for EVERYTHING (TWICE while he was sitting with me and couldn't have been responsible)... I am not blaming the kids, grrr, but they figure out so quickly that they can do what they want and blame DS instead and he will take the punishment Sad
But when nursery was mentioned this morning (they go on a Weds) DS started saying he was naughty and that people were very cross with him (he has a bit of an odd way of talking and repeats things, but I am used to this and I know he is relating this to nursery) so I spoke to his key worker - who, of course ASSURED me this never happens, but I told that it had and that someone was telling him he was naughty and that i wanted it to stop.

We now have a tentative DX of high functioning autism i have been in tears all day which has hit me quite hard, though I am not too sure why. It's not a surprise.

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oohlordylordy · 02/05/2012 17:24

Right now, I just want to HE him and protect him from all of this. Sad

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mathanxiety · 02/05/2012 18:17

How come there is a dynamic of finger pointing and blaming going on? It is possible to model problem solving and dispute resolution tactics and circumvent the tale telling that is such an annoying feature of children aged 4 to 7ish.

Wrt the nursery, either the worker is lying and knows exactly what went on and has been chastising him for 'naughtiness', or your DS sees an authority figure/ child model in his interactions with other children. They need to be far more vigilant and more inclined to act in the interests of every child.

Try to see 'high functioning' as the very big plus that it is. It is so much better to have some idea even of what is going on even if it is tentative and even if it is not the news you had been hoping for. Sorry you are having such a bad day Sad.

Have you heard the reasons the tentative diagnosis is being made, or why it is tentative?

In the end no matter what, it is best to aim to equip him to deal with it all than to protect. I think you are doing a great job of communicating with him and he is telling you plenty in his own way.

skybluepearl · 02/05/2012 20:14

I know you kids are probably in bed now. In your shoes, I'd sit with them chatting and not discuss the food at all. If they ask for crisps explain calmly/quickly that it's only stew tonight and thats it. Yes remove food if they don't want to eat it but don't make an issue of it. simply tell them if they are hungry they have the stew again but nothing else.

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oohlordylordy · 02/05/2012 21:18

Just - what is a DLA application? What are Early bird courses?

I have spoken to the primary school he is due to go to in Sept and they are going to call me back.

I don't know why I am so clueless. I have suspected this for about 2 years. Yet, it's hit me like a train Sad

thankyou all for advice and positive words.

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oohlordylordy · 02/05/2012 23:17

Thankyou justabout I really cannot say how much this means to me. I feel so very alone right now. It feels that much better that someone in NZ can relate to what I / we are going through.

My DS also loves to be fed on the sofa while watching TV. Blush

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