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AIBU to expect parents to be able to control their kids in the street, and to expect the police to do something about another child assaulting my dd

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Sleepflower777 · 07/04/2012 21:18

Name changed for this!

We're having ongoing trouble with a family in our street. I know kids fight and fall out, but this goes beyond that I think.

All the kids in our street play on the communal grassy area at the end of the cul-de-sac (across from my house so I can see what goes on from my living room window). There are fallings outs and sometimes fights, but it's usually dealt with reasonably. However, a few years ago another family moved in further up the hill and their child has been constantly bullying mine.

They are the same ages (8/9) and it started out with this other girl calling my dd names etc, which although she was upset with, we told her not to worry, ignore it etc etc. This then progressed to hitting, throwing stones, on one occassion she threw bricks at my children's heads (also have ds 5), it is a constant onslaught. In the first instance I went to this child's parents, but got verbal abuse. Every time my kids are out, down this other child comes and starts hitting, spitting, throwing stones etc. I don't let my kids play up her end of the street to try and avoid her, but she comes down this end, even as far as sitting on my front wall swearing & spitting at my dd, and when I go out to tell her to go away she tells me the police have told her she can go anywhere she wants!

I even resorted to keeping my kids in, going out to the park etc to avoid the confrontations, but then my kids feel like they are being punished when they haven't done anything wrong, plus it then means they don't get to play with the other kids in the street. Our own garden is tiny so they can't even play properly in there, or that would be an option.

I've even caught this other child climbing over the fence into our garden and ripping plants out etc.

We have phoned the police regarding the more serious instances, but each time they tell us there's not really much they can do - they say as the street is a public area they cannot tell this child she can't come down to the front of my house.

I have had abuse from the parents as well. One instance the mother came to my door shouting and threatened to "sort me out". Another incident last year I witnessed both the parents chasing a 5yr old boy down the street and the woman slapped this child across the face. They then came banging on my door threatening me. The police did try to charge them over this but it came to nothing.

Today this child crept up on my dd and whacked her with a stick, then when my dd turned round she punched her in the face. The police are coming to see me tomorrow, but I expect it will be the usual "can't do anything".

They are housing association tenants, but even the HA is bloody useless. AIBU in thinking that we shouldn't have to put up with this? We only want to be left in peace and for our kids to play outside without being assaulted! This child is out of control - it's obvious her parents can't control her, so shouldn't the police be doing something?!

Am I over-reacting? What would you do??

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OhdearNigel · 07/04/2012 21:21

Sounds like a suitable case for an Acceptable Behaviour Contract. Unfortunately the age of criminal responsibility is 10 so child won't be dealt with. However the family should be dealt with as nuisance neighbours - ask the police officers that attend if they have Neighbourhood Specialist Officers (that's what they are in my force) who deal with neighbourhood problems all the time.

It sounds awful and nothing is more demoralising than antisocial neighbours. Hopefully the rest of your neighbours might be willing to get involved as well. Start keeping a diary of what happens and when, this would be useful evidence if they tried to get a civil ABSO against the family.

Cassettetapeandpencil · 07/04/2012 21:22

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SuePurblybiltFromChocolate · 07/04/2012 21:23

I would bug the hell out of the HA.

WibblyBibble · 07/04/2012 21:24

YANBU, but the police can do something. That is assault. If the parents are letting the child commit assault that is neglect which is a criminal offence. They can arrest the parents if the parents won't listen to reason. If they are choosing not to then they need to sort out some other way that your children can be safe in their own area. This is what ASBOs were designed for ffs. Police constantly lie about their hands being tied when they aren't- they are just being lazy not to do anything, so you need to insist.

asiatic · 07/04/2012 21:31

This sounds awful

Can I suggest you make friendly overtures to the child? ( If you feel like it)

This may sound mad, but can work, she is only little, and clearly has no disipline, boundries or supervision. This implies she isn't really loved and cared for, and she might be more responsive than you might think.

Just a straightforward smile, hello ***, lets be friends now, might work, next time she is on your wall. Don't expect it to work straight away, but I've been surprised by the response of some of the teenagers I've had on our estate.

Cassettetapeandpencil · 07/04/2012 21:33

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Sleepflower777 · 07/04/2012 21:36

We're in Scotland so isn't the age of responsibility 8, or didn't they change it recently to 12?? Not sure!

Anyway, this has been going on for at least 3 yrs. At first we thought it would blow over, just ignore it etc etc. Then I got paranoid and thought it was me over-reacting because all the other kids seemed to play with this child just fine, and all the other parents talk away to her mum!

As the incidents got worse, I knew other residents must have seen what is happening, but it's the usual, no-one wants to get involved, and so it looks like it's just me complaining all the time. We've been to the council, housing association, surely something can be done - this child is out of control, and if the police can't charge her, then surely her parents are responsible and the police need to make sure that they control their child. She is making the street a misery! I know we're not the only ones annoyed with this child (she's LOUD (I mean really loud, not your normal kids being noisy stuff), always throwing stones etc, running into people's gardens etc etc), but I just wish the HA or police would have the balls to do something. It does seem a bit silly sometimes to be constantly phoning the police to say a child spat or threw stones. I know they have got better or more serious things to be dealing with, and I know people have far worse problems with neighbours. With "normal" parents or rational, intelligent people, you could sort this out and resolve it, but not with this pair of muppets.

It is so stressful though. I feel like no-one is taking it seriously. I have kept a diary, phoned the police to report every incident, finally thought something would be done last year with the slapping a child incident then threatening me at the door (I was on the phone to the police at the time so it was recorded), but nothing even came of that. It seems like this child can roam about doing what she likes, and her parents can assault children and threaten people and get away with it!

These incidents always happen when dp is away working. He is stressed about it too, nervous about going off to work as he knows it will all kick off, and he can't do anything about it as he would end up in trouble then, so he feels helpless.

Desperate to move but can't afford to at the moment.

Aarghh!!!

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Sleepflower777 · 07/04/2012 21:41

Asiatic, that does sound a sensible idea, and we have tried that! In fact, this child used to be friends with my dd when she first moved in. I have no idea what happened to make her turn so nasty.

I do feel sorry for her in a way, she is only a child, and clearly has "problems", but it's my children who are suffering because of her parents lack of parenting abilities!

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rhondajean · 07/04/2012 22:00

Pursue this strongly with the ha, and if you feel they are not responding properly raise a complaint.

Which ha is it?

gafhyb · 07/04/2012 22:10

Honestly, I think I'd be tempted to contact Social Services. This child sounds like she's been inadequately parented, at the very least, possibly (probably?) neglected.

If this feels too much of a big step, what about calling the NSPCC for some advice?

marriedinwhite · 07/04/2012 22:15

OP the child is clearly out of control and doesn't seem to have nice parents. But I am really shocked that you have resorted to keeping your children in and taking them to the park. That is what parents do. You have said your dd is 8 and this girl moved in a few years ago, so does it therefore follow that you were allowing your own child to play out in the street at 6 years old or less. Are you honestly telling me that you had your eyes on her all the time she was playing out. You have also said that the child has hit your 5 year old so you therefore allow your five year old to play in the street unsupervised.

The family you are complaining about don't sound very nice but neither do you appear to be taking responsibility for your own children; letting them meet nice children to make friends with and supervising those friendships and helping them grow. I quote again "I have resorted to keeing them in and taking them to the park". That is what I did when my children were small and felt privileged to do so. I most certainly did not let them play in the street, unsupervised. Good Lord!

Heswall · 07/04/2012 22:24

I think you have to front people like this up. We had something g similar when we were children a horrible family threatening me and my sister so we couldn't play out. My mum calmly whispered in the child's war she would tear her fucking head off if she came near us again and the family never bothered us again. They are intimidating you because they can, they aren't scared of the police or the HA because they know they can do very little. You have to give the impression that they should be scared of you not the other way around.

Heswall · 07/04/2012 22:24

War = ear obviously

hermionestranger · 07/04/2012 22:30

OP I just wanted to offer you a hug in solidarity, we have a nightmare child neighbour, I won't hijack your thread but been there, going through it too.

I sort of want to agree with Heswall about fronting upto these people, but our nightmare neighbour just increases her appalling behaviour if you do. To use a much quoted phrase, she's got more front than Blackpool, her parent is bloody useless too!

Gumby · 07/04/2012 22:35

Your poor dd
I'd move
Even to a smaller place
You've already put up with it for a miserable 3 years of your dd's life

maddening · 07/04/2012 22:37

Are you owners or do you rent - if it were me and I were renting I would probably move after this amount of time and inaction . But really you shouldn't be bullied out of you own home.

Speak to environmental health and cab

Sleepflower777 · 07/04/2012 22:44

marriedinwhite - I do take them to the park etc, like normal people! What I meant was, I have sometimes resorted to taking them out for the whole day in order to avoid this family and the stress etc.

They are not allowed out "unsupervised" - as I said, we live at the bottom of a cul-de-sac, with a grassy play area directly opposite my house, so I can see what is going on. It just means that sometimes I am stuck for hours in the living room so I can see what's happening! I do get your point and see where it might seem a bit Shock at the idea of kids playing out in a "street" on their own, but that's not really what I meant! However, this other child is from the top of the street, so is certainly out of her parent's view all day long!

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Glimmerberry · 07/04/2012 22:46

I'd phone your local social work dept and ask to speak with the child and families duty social worker.

Your child has had a brick thrown at her head, another child is the perpetrator and seemingly isn't being appropriately parented. These sound like child protection issues to me.

Heavensmells · 07/04/2012 22:46

Ring you local councils anti social behaviour officer. They can along with the police put pressure in landlord and HA's to evict nuisance neighbours.
Keep a diary of everything that happens too, it will help the case if you have clear dates and times of all that's going on.

lechatnoir · 07/04/2012 22:46

Marriedinwhite I too let my 6 year old play out in our street with the neighbour's kids. Not (as I think you are suggesting) to get him out of my way or because I can't be bothered to go to the park (which we also do BTW) but because I'm happy he's not at any real risk of being run over or abducted and I think children need a little freedom & independence.

Sleepflower777 · 07/04/2012 22:54

Thanks everyone. I've really needed to vent this!

I'll see what the police say tomorrow. They should have a note of every incident etc from the past few years, but I think I am going to print off everything and show them the list so they can see how many incidents it has been. I think they've just been lazy & been fobbing us off over the years too with bullshit excuses etc. Same with HA and council. Somebody really needs to do something about it now though.

I'd never even considered ss but you probably have a point there. What would you say to them though?

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Heavensmells · 07/04/2012 22:55

You are not a bad parent if you let your children play out in the street marriedinwhite.

Heswall · 07/04/2012 22:58

SS won't come running because you've picked the phone up, they might make a note of the call but it won't solve any of your problems OP

Birdsgottafly · 07/04/2012 23:05

OP- i don't know SS policy in Scotland (it is different from the UK), but i would report the criminal damage and assault by the children, also the lack of disipline and i would report witnessing the assault on the child, this would warrent a visit under my Local Authority. They are basically running wild and i would say that you fear for their safety and being allowed to carryout criminal acts.

I would inform the police that i was making a contact to SS, as they will be part of the information gathering, so may take things more seriously.

In my HA, we would have both been called into the office by now. Do you have a anti-social behaviour team that you can speak to directly? Do you have a housing officer that is handling this upto now?

Groovee · 07/04/2012 23:23

It's age 8 in Scotland. Therefore she could be reported to the children's panel and dealt with in a panel hearing. It's assault but sounds like she's learning from her parents Sad