AIBU to be a bit shocked at some of the reactions to CB cuts on MN?

[kickmewhenimdown]

Yes, it will be a bit crappy to lose CB but some of the suggestions/views by some mners are imo no better than people who fiddle tax credits?

"venom against high earners..."
venom against people with unique skills. a very British thing.

Wamster "But to be a sahm with a partner on 60k... Something had to be done about this. If a person has a partner on 60k they are not poor and should be grateful to have a gilded life. Their complaining is totally unreasonable."

Something had to be done about this?!? What had to be done about the fact that I'm a Sahm while DH works his balls off to support his family because that is the only best option for us, as a family, all other options considered? We may not be poor but we certainly don't have a gilded life.

Birds - chip on your shoulder or what? Who said that lower wage earners don't work hard?! Stop being so silly and defensive.

Agree naturalbaby. I chose to freelance and be with my children and the views of some people about this are very odd.

"I doubt those earning 60k will be begging for scraps though."

Oh no, they won't be.

And having been excluded from claiming any benefits from the welfare state and given a big fat resentful "fuck off" from the people who will be begging for scraps, they are likely to be less interested in paying higher taxes to provide such scraps.

"the changes to DLA for one, will mean poverty and yep death for some very vulnerable people. where is the outrage for that,
when we have done threads about it, no interest."

I can't speak for anyone else, but certainly I am outraged about that.

I read those threads, and find them very informative, but I don't post because I have nothing of substance to contribute.

There are a lot of very well informed parents on MN who are genuine experts in that area.

Don't forget your lurkers - we are there reading, and horrified and worried, but very inexpert in the issues compared with those who are.

Being interested in one thing (removal of CB) does not imply a lack of interest in others.

Personally I think if you are worried about the effects of this opportunistic austerity agenda on the country, particularly the poor and vulnerable, you should be keeping a keen eye on universal benefits.

That money is not being taken to give to the disabled, it is being taken as part of an ideological shrinking of the state that will make things harder for anyone who depends on state help.

Many seem to assume that to be earning less than 60k one of the parents must be staying at home to look after the dc.

How about this amazing fact? Some families both parents work and still dont come anywhere near earning that magical amount and are still not eligeable for any benefits whatsoever.

Mine has to pay for school trips and after school activities

"Some families both parents work and still dont come anywhere near earning that magical amount and are still not eligeable for any benefits whatsoever."

They are all, (for now, let's see how long it lasts now that the initial attack has been so warmly welcomed by parents) eligible for Child Benefit.

Isn't that the entire point of this thread?

" Mine has to pay for school trips and after school activities"

And there are other families for whom school trips and after school activities are luxuries and CB pays for food and heating.

Why should the government pay for luxuries for you children? (see how this argument goes?)

Arguably school trips and after school activities is an investment in their future. That's how my parents invested in mine, and it paid off. :)

CB was a tax relief, in recognition that raising children is both expensive and of benefit to the nation, long term. It should continue to be that.

Personally, I am concerned at having to declare my husband's wages for something that I claim.

This is divide and rule by the government. The ever squeezed people in the middle will feel that they pay for everything and get no sympathy (but receive quite a lot of vitriolic glee) when things are taken from them. In turn they will have less sympathy for the next set of people the government decide to screw over, because they feel screwed over themselves.

This all leads to the destruction of a welfare state. Something this valuable really shouldn't be pissed away because the poorest are jealous that the middle earners are getting something back (they are, after all, paying for it).

Meanwhile the Tories and their super rich cronies sit back and rub their hands in glee as they get richer and richer and we're too busy fighting amongst ourselves to deal with them.

As someone else pointed out on a different post about this issue, some of the people kicking off about losing their CB are the same posters saying £26k capped benefits are more than enough to live off. Double standards anyone?

I do not understand why someone who earns far more tan most people feels they need even more money from the taxpayer.

Than not tan.

Erm, they are the taxpayers.

a thing You dont need to keep quoting me i know what i have posted thankyou.

I understand and partially agree with your second post to me.I do not understand the first one however.

I have read over and over on mn and in the media the assumption that cb allows a parent to stay at home to care for the dc which i find utter nonsense.

You can bring up all the political arguments you like but simple fact is its 20 quid!! For someone who is on a 60k income that is not as essential as someone who is on a third of that.
Illustrated nicely by the people who can use it to invest and those who need it for essentials and i am not necessarily refering to myself btw.

The biggest problem with the new changes are that some will get it when they are on almost twice as a family who dont.

I totally agree karma.

It's depressing how shortsighted people can be.

Thanks for your rudeness. I was trying to make my posts clear.

I shan't bother to to engage with you further.

5inthebed an excellent point.

I have a friend who is married to a consultant nurologist. She is very upset at losing her cb for her 4 dc.

They own 3 properties,all huge rambling places which require alot of maintainance.

This is the unrealisticnessof the situation,they think its perfectly dastardly that they will have to lose their child benefit and gosh maybe have to sell one of their 3 houses wht on earth is the world coming to.

Yes they are the taxpayers, I did not say they were not. But why do they need to claw money back that they don't need but others do. I genuinely do not understand.

Turning the argument on its head a couple where 1 person is on 60k and the other is a SAHP can improve their financial position by the SAHP getting a job.If they took CB off the couple both on £49k and not off the one where one is on 60k and the other is SAHP is that not paying someone not to work.Is that fair from perspective of 2 parents working full time Having said that I am against CB not being universal If cuts had to be made i would prefer CB being limited to 2 children

"As someone else pointed out on a different post about this issue, some of the people kicking off about losing their CB are the same posters saying £26k capped benefits are more than enough to live off. Double standards anyone?"

I'm not sure it's a double standard to think £26,000 of money you haven't earned is as much as any family should get from the state, and also support a universal benefit that is much less than that.

There are also plenty of people (like me) who think the two policies are of a piece in crudely appealing to people's innate greed and envy: "why should other people get what I don't?" and who support neither.

The fact that some people might be hypocritical says nothing about whether this is a good policy.

Such naivety here: it's like this: you cannot tax the filthy rich. They hire clever accountants that -legitimately but immorally imo- hide the money. The poor have nothing to tax.

The only person who can be taxed are the middle classes.
Am I going to have sleepless nights because some sahp is going to lose her cb when her husband is well off (most of my faimily will lose out, btw)? Am I heck.

Like I said, those on 49k apiece earn it. When you earn, you appreciate that money doesn't come from thin air.