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Where is the fucking justice for Trayvon Martin? a 17 year old INNOCENT CHILD shot to death simply because he was walking in his father's gated community.

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chewchewmeaw · 17/03/2012 19:10

Why in gods hell has that MURDERER not been arrested?

Are they looking for riots? they will happen if Zimmerman is not brought to justice. I am so sickened by this.

I wouldn't be surprised if you haven't heard this story yet - very slow in reporting it.

He was begging for his life': Family's anger as police finally play 911 calls made by neighborhood watch captain who shot black teen

Trayvon Martin,17, was shot dead by George Zimmerman, 28, last month, who claims the killing was self defense and has not been charged
Police finally gave into mounting pressure on Friday and released eight 911 calls
The teen's family say the calls show Zimmerman was the 'aggressor' not Trayvon

The police have finally released the 911 calls made in relation to the killing of an unarmed black teenager who was shot by a white neighborhood watch captain.

George Zimmerman, 28, had called 911 to report a suspicious man and can be heard pursuing Trayvon Martin, 17, on foot against the dispatcher's advice causing the teen to run away.
Moments later the police are bombarded with calls from terrified neighbors as a voice in the background can be heard desperately screaming for help before the sound of two gun shots.
When police arrived at Florida's Retreat at Twin Lakes Townhomes they found Trayvon, who had been returning from a store with candy for his younger brother, had been shot dead by Zimmerman.
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Trayvon Martin, 17, left, was killed by George Zimmerman, 28, right, after the neighborhood watch captain pursued him as walked in a gated community

Zimmerman had called 911 after spotting the teen walking through the gated community.
'This guy looks like he is up to no good. He is on drugs or something,' Zimmerman told the dispatcher from his SUV.
He added that the black teen had his hand in his waistband and was walking around looking at homes.

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'These a---. They always get away,' Zimmerman said on a 911 call.
During Zimmerman's initial call, he told the dispatcher he was following Martin and the dispatcher told him, 'You don't need to do that.'
But Zimmerman sounds as if he continues to pursue the teen saying: 'He ran.'
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In Zimmerman's 911 call he said Martin, pictured, looked like he 'up to no good' and on drugs as the teen returned home with skittles for his brother
He then refuses to meet police officers at an agreed location and asks for them to call him on arrival instead so he can tell them where he is.
Sanford police officials, who have not charged Zimmerman after accepting his claim that his actions were in self defense, finally released eight 911 calls on Friday after mounting pressure.
Martin's family had demanded the release of the calls to help better understand how Martin died while walking home from a convenience store last month.
'He was yelling for help, and no one could help him. He saw his life being taken away from him,' the teen's father Tracy Martin said.
He said they will continue pushing for charges to be filed against Zimmerman.
'We?re hoping this doesn?t happen again to another family, and that America opens their eyes ... even though this won?t bring Trayvon back,
we don?t want there to be another Trayvon,' Mr Martin said.
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The teenager's parents; mother Sabrina Fulton, right, and father Tracy Martin, left, are said to be devastated after hearing the 911 calls of their son's last moments

Benjamin Crump, the attorney for Martin's family, said that the 911 calls show that the teenager spent the last few moments of his life terrified and Zimmerman should be charged
After listening to recordings of 911 calls, Martin's family said they're more convinced than ever that the Zimmerman should be charged with a crime.
'You hear a shot, a clear shot, then you hear a 17-year-old boy begging for his life,' said Natalie Jackson, the family attorney. 'Then you hear a second shot.'
The case has been turned over to the State Attorney's Office which can decide whether to file charges or present evidence to a grand jury.
Attorney Benjamin Crump, who is also representing the family, told reporters outside Sanford City Hall that Martin's parents both broke down and cried as they listened to the recordings.
'They are completely devastated, and they are in unbelievable grief,' Crump said. 'The last seconds of his life were in absolute fear.'
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Martin was visiting his father and stepmother in Sanford where they live at The Retreat at Twin Lakes, pictured, when he popped out to buy snacks for his younger brother
He added that a third witness has come forward saying it was the boy who was crying for help.
Martin's parents, Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton, previously sued to have the recordings released. A hearing for the case had been scheduled for Monday.
Moments after Zimmerman's initial call, dispatchers were bombarded by seven 911 calls from frantic neighbors describing a fight between two men, screaming and then a gunshot.
'There is somebody screaming outside,' one female caller said, as an unknown male voice can be heard crying in the background. Then a shot is heard.
A male caller described a physical altercation between Martin and the shooter.
'I just heard a shot right behind my house,' The caller said. 'They're wrestling right behind my porch. The guy is yelling 'Help.' I'm not going outside.'

By the time police officers arrived, unarmed Trayvon, who had been carrying Skittles and soda, was dead on the ground from a single gunshot
Another woman said a man in a 'white top' was on top Trayvon.
Earlier on Friday, Martin's parents called on the FBI to take over the investigation, saying they no longer trusted the Sanford police department.
Sanford police Sgt. David Morgenstern said the department stands by its investigation but welcomes help from any outside agency. FBI agent David Couvertier said the agency has been in contact with Sanford police and is monitoring the case.
'We are committed to having somebody review this to see if we made a mistake,' said Sanford Mayor Jeff Triplett. 'If we made missteps and there is something there, we will act accordingly'

Trayvon's family believe Zimmerman should be charged and brought to justice for shooting their young son
Several Sanford residents who spoke to The Associated Press said they think there would have been an arrest already if the shooter had been black and the deceased had been white.
They said blacks and whites in this city of 53,000 residents were pretty much in agreement that an injustice had been done with no one arrested, and that there was no racial divide in how the case is being perceived. The city is 57 percent white and 30 percent black.
Zimmerman's father delivered a letter to the Orlando Sentinel on Thursday, saying the way his son is being depicted in the media is cruel and misleading.
He also says his son has received death threats and moved out of his home. George Zimmerman is Hispanic and grew up in a multiracial family, the statement says.

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Boomba · 18/07/2013 14:52

yes creighton its just academic/theoretical discussion for a lot of people

CheerfulYank · 18/07/2013 15:02

Creighton no one white emphasized Obama's whiteness or tried to claim him. Where are you getting your information? Confused

ThePowerof3 · 18/07/2013 16:49

This is where I bow out then

Boomba · 18/07/2013 18:38

racism is a really really uncomfortable subject. It is a hideous subject

For a useful discussion about racism, it has to be an honest discussion about racism

black people are the victims of racism. Time and time over white people 'bow out' of discussions on racism or 'refuse to engage' (see other thread) because they feel offended

THAT is exactly what creighton means!! what is the point in the discussion??? You can pick it up and play with it, until you feel offended...then you can put it down and walk away

LittleSporksBigSpork · 18/07/2013 19:09

CheerfulYank - it happens quite a bit and there is a lot of information on it. Part of the massive racism around Obama is that some people will use his White family as an excuse to why he isn't like "normal Black people". There were even several posts on here in thread about American elections/politics going on about how his White side needs more recognition, even more further around the web with several White writers going on about how we shouldn't call him Black, that we need to give recognition to his White side, regardless of what he calls himself and the racism he endures because of how most people see him. It's been going on for ages.

Kinda like Andy Murray - the Scot whose British when he wins - when Obama is doing well there is an emphasis on being mixed, when not so well, all the Black slurs come out and his White family is forgotten. That's the system.

Boomba, I agree. As it goes, "No one is free while another is oppressed". Racism does effect White people in it's own way, just as sexism affects men in that men are still put into a category where it is important to maintain that power that means the systems prevent them from connecting fully to themselves and those around them. Refusing to discuss it would be like refusing to discuss domestic violence or child abuse - nothing gets changed when people are silent about it, silence only helps oppressors. The only difference is that, unlike sex and gender, White Europeans literally invented the concept of race and used all their systems to do so so we need to take those systems a part to really heal it. But it would need to be recognized first, and the media, education, government, law, religions, and science, even systems of real estate and "manners" and all the other systems work quite well to keep this sort of thing hidden to keep the status quo. Even groups meant to be tackling oppression tend to hide it (see the history of White feminism to Black women and men, it's dreadful, and even these days it goes on).

lemonmuffin · 18/07/2013 20:30

What a brilliant and brave article, wellwobbly. Finally, some sanity written about this case.

Thank you for posting it.

Boomba · 18/07/2013 21:21

no, this is brilliant and brave

ThePowerof3 · 18/07/2013 21:47

I don't recall saying I was offended, I choose to bow out because this thread seems to have become an argument between a couple of posters with no one else's opinions etc being acknowledged, nothing to do with the race debate

SpecialAgentTattooedQueen · 18/07/2013 22:39

That was so moving Boomba. Once again I completely agree with you, especially your analyse of Creighton's posts.

emuloc · 19/07/2013 08:48

Boomba I agree with you. Reading the link you posted struck a note with me.

Chattymummyhere · 19/07/2013 08:50

I find it off everyone is in outrage at this case yet this year a very similar story about a white teen who was unarmed being shot by a black man got no coverage.. Marley lion until now

creighton · 19/07/2013 09:05

When a white person is killed the police investigate the crime without being prompted, the police in this case had to be forced to look into the murder of trayvon martin. The same thing happened with stephen lawrence leading to a 20 year martyrdom of him and his family.

creighton · 19/07/2013 09:06

When a white person is killed the police investigate the crime without being prompted, the police in this case had to be forced to look into the murder of trayvon martin. The same thing happened with stephen lawrence leading to a 20 year martyrdom of him and his family.

emuloc · 19/07/2013 09:08

Chattymunmy I have not heard of this untill now. But doing a quick search and I do mean quik it would seem the police were fast to apprehend and charge people for this crime.

emuloc · 19/07/2013 09:11

So again we haye black people being murdered being treated diffrently to white people.

Chattymummyhere · 19/07/2013 09:40

I don't know too much it was mentioned to me by a friend this morning.. I did a quick google to see if it was true and not a fb story

Chattymummyhere · 19/07/2013 09:47

After a quick look at an article...

Zimmer claimed 100% self defence.. Only even went to court because of outrage of a racist attack

Lion however was killed and there was video evidence to show what happened.. People who killed him still not been to court

creighton · 19/07/2013 13:00

the killers of marley lion were immediately pursued by the police and will end up in court and get what they deserve. the police in florida did nothing to investigate trayvon martin's death until forced to. the policea are not concerned about the death of a black child but are always concerned with the suffering of a white person.

AmberLeaf · 19/07/2013 17:11

Following the acquittal of George Zimmerman, the shooting suspect in the Martin case, the Charleston, S.C., chapter of the NAACP referenced the Martin-Lion comparison

?On the one hand, they were two young men who were minding their own business when it occurred. On the other hand, I think the problem in the Trayvon case is that the aftermath was different. In the case of Marley Lion, there was an immediate search for the killer, fairly rapid apprehension, rapid action. With Trayvon Martin ? the police were aware of the killing, but there was no charge until there was national pressure. I think the reason the Trayvon Martin case made national news was the level of inaction in Florida,? First Vice President Rev. Joseph Darby said at a press conference, according to the Charleston City Paper

Local NAACP President Dot Scott further talked about the comparison

?One thing we need to be clear: I applaud how things were handled with Lion?s case, because here was a young man, fresh out of high school, bothering no one, taking a rest in his own car, and he had someone take his life away from him. [Police] did what they should have done. The only thing we?re saying is it doesn?t happen the same way with the life of a black child. That?s where the disparity is, and the fact that it took so long to even bring Zimmerman to the due process of the justice system and to have the verdict that it did. We feel like that would not have been the same verdict if race wasn?t an issue,? Scott said

It amazes me when people try to compare cases for this purpose.

The response from police is always different, which is the key point.

Ive read this sort of thing when people have tried to compare the murder of Stephen Lawrence to murders of white boys by black boys, the white boys families tend not to have to wait 20 years for partial justice, nor have their families name slurred. [back to that point about Trayvon being on trial for his own murder]

So Chattymum, there is very little similarity in those cases other than a young innocent man is dead. The handling was very different and I will bet my boots the outcome is different too.

AmberLeaf · 19/07/2013 17:51

The fact that some people try to compare in that way shows how much they are spectacularly missing the point.

Of course white 17 yr olds get killed too...and yes, sometimes their killers are black. No one needs that pointing out, but they [white 17 yr olds] get justice and completely different treatment, as do their families.

Black 17 yr olds like Trayvon don't and that is why everyone 'is in outrage' Im actually amazed that so many people don't seem able to grasp this.

limitedperiodonly · 19/07/2013 18:57

I've been debating a while before posting this

and this which I'm sure many people on this thread know about.

But I've posted it.

Probably I wouldn't like him if I'd met him. But to paraphrase his mother, he may have been a bad man, but what is the world coming to when it appears we have execution squads who shoot dead people they don't like instead of arresting them so they can be put on trial.

That would be actual police officers, in the UK, rather than people like Zimmerman who were rejected from the Florida police as unsuitable.

GoshAnneGorilla · 19/07/2013 20:28

Limited - Indeed. That's before even getting into 300 deaths in police custody, with 0 prosecutions.

Then there's the 30 deaths in youth custody, YOIs with similarly non existent levels of convictions.

Hugely depressing, especially as a disproportionate number of these deaths are of black men.

chocolatespiders · 19/07/2013 20:46

Hugely depressing, especially as a disproportionate number of these deaths are of black men. THIS IS VERY VERY SAD