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Where is the fucking justice for Trayvon Martin? a 17 year old INNOCENT CHILD shot to death simply because he was walking in his father's gated community.

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chewchewmeaw · 17/03/2012 19:10

Why in gods hell has that MURDERER not been arrested?

Are they looking for riots? they will happen if Zimmerman is not brought to justice. I am so sickened by this.

I wouldn't be surprised if you haven't heard this story yet - very slow in reporting it.

He was begging for his life': Family's anger as police finally play 911 calls made by neighborhood watch captain who shot black teen

Trayvon Martin,17, was shot dead by George Zimmerman, 28, last month, who claims the killing was self defense and has not been charged
Police finally gave into mounting pressure on Friday and released eight 911 calls
The teen's family say the calls show Zimmerman was the 'aggressor' not Trayvon

The police have finally released the 911 calls made in relation to the killing of an unarmed black teenager who was shot by a white neighborhood watch captain.

George Zimmerman, 28, had called 911 to report a suspicious man and can be heard pursuing Trayvon Martin, 17, on foot against the dispatcher's advice causing the teen to run away.
Moments later the police are bombarded with calls from terrified neighbors as a voice in the background can be heard desperately screaming for help before the sound of two gun shots.
When police arrived at Florida's Retreat at Twin Lakes Townhomes they found Trayvon, who had been returning from a store with candy for his younger brother, had been shot dead by Zimmerman.
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Trayvon Martin, 17, left, was killed by George Zimmerman, 28, right, after the neighborhood watch captain pursued him as walked in a gated community

Zimmerman had called 911 after spotting the teen walking through the gated community.
'This guy looks like he is up to no good. He is on drugs or something,' Zimmerman told the dispatcher from his SUV.
He added that the black teen had his hand in his waistband and was walking around looking at homes.

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'These a---. They always get away,' Zimmerman said on a 911 call.
During Zimmerman's initial call, he told the dispatcher he was following Martin and the dispatcher told him, 'You don't need to do that.'
But Zimmerman sounds as if he continues to pursue the teen saying: 'He ran.'
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In Zimmerman's 911 call he said Martin, pictured, looked like he 'up to no good' and on drugs as the teen returned home with skittles for his brother
He then refuses to meet police officers at an agreed location and asks for them to call him on arrival instead so he can tell them where he is.
Sanford police officials, who have not charged Zimmerman after accepting his claim that his actions were in self defense, finally released eight 911 calls on Friday after mounting pressure.
Martin's family had demanded the release of the calls to help better understand how Martin died while walking home from a convenience store last month.
'He was yelling for help, and no one could help him. He saw his life being taken away from him,' the teen's father Tracy Martin said.
He said they will continue pushing for charges to be filed against Zimmerman.
'We?re hoping this doesn?t happen again to another family, and that America opens their eyes ... even though this won?t bring Trayvon back,
we don?t want there to be another Trayvon,' Mr Martin said.
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The teenager's parents; mother Sabrina Fulton, right, and father Tracy Martin, left, are said to be devastated after hearing the 911 calls of their son's last moments

Benjamin Crump, the attorney for Martin's family, said that the 911 calls show that the teenager spent the last few moments of his life terrified and Zimmerman should be charged
After listening to recordings of 911 calls, Martin's family said they're more convinced than ever that the Zimmerman should be charged with a crime.
'You hear a shot, a clear shot, then you hear a 17-year-old boy begging for his life,' said Natalie Jackson, the family attorney. 'Then you hear a second shot.'
The case has been turned over to the State Attorney's Office which can decide whether to file charges or present evidence to a grand jury.
Attorney Benjamin Crump, who is also representing the family, told reporters outside Sanford City Hall that Martin's parents both broke down and cried as they listened to the recordings.
'They are completely devastated, and they are in unbelievable grief,' Crump said. 'The last seconds of his life were in absolute fear.'
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Martin was visiting his father and stepmother in Sanford where they live at The Retreat at Twin Lakes, pictured, when he popped out to buy snacks for his younger brother
He added that a third witness has come forward saying it was the boy who was crying for help.
Martin's parents, Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton, previously sued to have the recordings released. A hearing for the case had been scheduled for Monday.
Moments after Zimmerman's initial call, dispatchers were bombarded by seven 911 calls from frantic neighbors describing a fight between two men, screaming and then a gunshot.
'There is somebody screaming outside,' one female caller said, as an unknown male voice can be heard crying in the background. Then a shot is heard.
A male caller described a physical altercation between Martin and the shooter.
'I just heard a shot right behind my house,' The caller said. 'They're wrestling right behind my porch. The guy is yelling 'Help.' I'm not going outside.'

By the time police officers arrived, unarmed Trayvon, who had been carrying Skittles and soda, was dead on the ground from a single gunshot
Another woman said a man in a 'white top' was on top Trayvon.
Earlier on Friday, Martin's parents called on the FBI to take over the investigation, saying they no longer trusted the Sanford police department.
Sanford police Sgt. David Morgenstern said the department stands by its investigation but welcomes help from any outside agency. FBI agent David Couvertier said the agency has been in contact with Sanford police and is monitoring the case.
'We are committed to having somebody review this to see if we made a mistake,' said Sanford Mayor Jeff Triplett. 'If we made missteps and there is something there, we will act accordingly'

Trayvon's family believe Zimmerman should be charged and brought to justice for shooting their young son
Several Sanford residents who spoke to The Associated Press said they think there would have been an arrest already if the shooter had been black and the deceased had been white.
They said blacks and whites in this city of 53,000 residents were pretty much in agreement that an injustice had been done with no one arrested, and that there was no racial divide in how the case is being perceived. The city is 57 percent white and 30 percent black.
Zimmerman's father delivered a letter to the Orlando Sentinel on Thursday, saying the way his son is being depicted in the media is cruel and misleading.
He also says his son has received death threats and moved out of his home. George Zimmerman is Hispanic and grew up in a multiracial family, the statement says.

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symfem · 21/07/2013 20:59

Well Boomba I reported you. And would do again of you dare suggest I'm prejudiced again

If my posts have been anyway racist or prejudiced I trust the mods on mn to delete them and slap my wrist. Since they haven't I can only assume the problem lies with you.

If you can't handle a rational logical discussion then frankly you should remove yourself from one.

Boomba · 21/07/2013 21:05

i can handle a rational logical discussion
you dont present one
The views you have expressed on this thread are IMO prejudiced.....stinking IMO

OldMacEIEIO · 21/07/2013 21:19

There are a bunch of people who suffer from a first world problem. They get terrible angst and guilt feelings for something that they themselves have never and would never do. But their ancestors may have done it, so thats close enough.
Filled with self hate and self loathing they strive to make things right by swinging wildly the other way.
so now its impossible for any black person to do wrong. or be wrong.
In fact if you try to point out that many slave owners were black, they will try to string you up.

they even go so far as to post sickly sweet poems on MN , and call others opinions 'stinking'

nice people eh ? I dont know what the collective noun for such people is

EldritchCleavage · 21/07/2013 21:19

I think Zimmerman was quite probably rightly acquitted.
Because the Stand Your Ground law, that bizarre, misconceived, sinister law, gave him licence to act as he did.

I hope US Attorney-General Eric Holder throws the book at Zimmerman in federal court. He is, apparently, taking a long hard look at it.

The 'post-racial, don't see colour' denialists are out in force. So fine, ignore the race of the protagonist, and his victim.

But even so, how anyone could defend Zimmerman's actions is beyond me. He created a strange, unnecessary, wannabe cop confrontation then turned it into a fatal tragedy. He has no judgment and apparently, no regrets either. It's repellent.

It would have been equally repellent if both men were white.

But it would have resonated less, because in that case it would not have encapsulated the fears, experiences, differential treatment and rage of an entire racial group across generations.

OldMacEIEIO · 21/07/2013 21:21

eldritch. the 'stand your ground' law was NOT used by the defence

limitedperiodonly · 21/07/2013 21:22

You're right eldritch

That's all.

EldritchCleavage · 21/07/2013 21:30

Well, I stand corrected. And in that case, the acquittal surprises me more. But that law, and the attitudes that prompted it, have been influential in how these cases are treated, I suspect.

symfem · 21/07/2013 21:31

I asked you to provide evidence

You abused me

That's not rational, but shows a deficiency in your stand point

symfem · 21/07/2013 21:32

He was found innocent of second degree murder could not be proved on the evidence provided

Most legal experts agree that he shouldn't have been broughtt to trial on that charge as it was always going to fail

symfem · 21/07/2013 21:35

Oldmac spot on

I should feel guilty because a case which anyone with an iota of sense could see was going to fail, failed.

That means I have black people and I'm dancing on Trayvons grave

OldMacEIEIO · 21/07/2013 21:37

eldritch-
'Well, I stand corrected. And in that case, the acquittal surprises me more. But that law, and the attitudes that prompted it, have been influential in how these cases are treated, I suspect.'

I think that what you are saying is that 'stand your ground' sets the tone. you are right. imho

but we dont live there, its not our country. they have guns. they have bonkers laws.
some bloke killed some bloke - hapens a hundred times a day over there

I know thats insensitive and harsh. if I had a magic wand....

Ilovemyself · 21/07/2013 22:07

I don't necessarily think race has anything to do with a lot of these crimes in the states. It's the stupid gun laws out there.

If you are allowed to carry a gun, people are going to die.

This is just another terrible gun crime in the US www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/22/antonio-santiago-west-dead-georgia-baby-killed_n_2931273.html

There are always idiots out there that will use race, or sex, or disability or one of many things to abuse others ( or worse). The trouble in this case was that they could not prove Zimmerman was not acticting in self defence or being racists.

NayFindus · 21/07/2013 22:24

I think America is a very racist country. Malcolm Gladwell wrote that he used to have his hair cropped right in, never got a spot of bother. Soon as he grew it he got pulled over by the police every 2 minutes. Google 'Malcolm Gladwell' and you'll see what I mean.

Ilovemyself · 21/07/2013 22:41

Nayfindus. I don't see what growing your hair has to do with racism Confused

EldritchCleavage · 21/07/2013 22:54

Malcolm Gladwell is a light-skinned mixed race man. When his hair is short, it is not obvious he has any black parentage at all. When it's long, it's an afro, and so it becomes clear he is mixed African/European. hence the different experiences.

NayFindus · 21/07/2013 22:57

Exactly. Thank you Eldritch.

NayFindus · 21/07/2013 23:05

Meant to add Ilovemyself I completely agree with you, people will use anything to mark someone out as the other and allow themselves carte blanche to abuse that person and dehumanise them. Somebody wrote somewhere the root of evil is ignorance, it's lack of knowledge. I wonder if Zimmerman can't sleep at night with the realisation of what he's done, murdering a harmless kid?

Ilovemyself · 21/07/2013 23:18

Ah. I see now. I though long hair like mine - a little wavy. Doh.

Ilovemyself · 21/07/2013 23:22

Where I was going before I meandered of the path was that race is used by both sides as a reason to riot/demonstrate/call foul play

The fact is that a 17 year old coloured youth and a 13 month old white baby have both been killed because of the easy and legal access to firearms.

Finally, even if Zimmerman is a racist thug and guilty, if the proof is not there any fair system will not find him so. That is the thing about being innocent until proven guilty.

symfem · 21/07/2013 23:30

I love myself spot on

You can't convict someone because of their race or because you want them to be guilty

Boomba · 21/07/2013 23:40
Boomba · 21/07/2013 23:45
symfem · 21/07/2013 23:46

Can't convict someone because of their family either

Clutching at straws

Boomba · 21/07/2013 23:47

You can't convict someone because of their race or because you want them to be guilty

Ironic

symfem · 21/07/2013 23:50

You seem to have the same grasp of irony as Alanis morrisette

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