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Where is the fucking justice for Trayvon Martin? a 17 year old INNOCENT CHILD shot to death simply because he was walking in his father's gated community.

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chewchewmeaw · 17/03/2012 19:10

Why in gods hell has that MURDERER not been arrested?

Are they looking for riots? they will happen if Zimmerman is not brought to justice. I am so sickened by this.

I wouldn't be surprised if you haven't heard this story yet - very slow in reporting it.

He was begging for his life': Family's anger as police finally play 911 calls made by neighborhood watch captain who shot black teen

Trayvon Martin,17, was shot dead by George Zimmerman, 28, last month, who claims the killing was self defense and has not been charged
Police finally gave into mounting pressure on Friday and released eight 911 calls
The teen's family say the calls show Zimmerman was the 'aggressor' not Trayvon

The police have finally released the 911 calls made in relation to the killing of an unarmed black teenager who was shot by a white neighborhood watch captain.

George Zimmerman, 28, had called 911 to report a suspicious man and can be heard pursuing Trayvon Martin, 17, on foot against the dispatcher's advice causing the teen to run away.
Moments later the police are bombarded with calls from terrified neighbors as a voice in the background can be heard desperately screaming for help before the sound of two gun shots.
When police arrived at Florida's Retreat at Twin Lakes Townhomes they found Trayvon, who had been returning from a store with candy for his younger brother, had been shot dead by Zimmerman.
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Trayvon Martin, 17, left, was killed by George Zimmerman, 28, right, after the neighborhood watch captain pursued him as walked in a gated community

Zimmerman had called 911 after spotting the teen walking through the gated community.
'This guy looks like he is up to no good. He is on drugs or something,' Zimmerman told the dispatcher from his SUV.
He added that the black teen had his hand in his waistband and was walking around looking at homes.

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'These a---. They always get away,' Zimmerman said on a 911 call.
During Zimmerman's initial call, he told the dispatcher he was following Martin and the dispatcher told him, 'You don't need to do that.'
But Zimmerman sounds as if he continues to pursue the teen saying: 'He ran.'
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In Zimmerman's 911 call he said Martin, pictured, looked like he 'up to no good' and on drugs as the teen returned home with skittles for his brother
He then refuses to meet police officers at an agreed location and asks for them to call him on arrival instead so he can tell them where he is.
Sanford police officials, who have not charged Zimmerman after accepting his claim that his actions were in self defense, finally released eight 911 calls on Friday after mounting pressure.
Martin's family had demanded the release of the calls to help better understand how Martin died while walking home from a convenience store last month.
'He was yelling for help, and no one could help him. He saw his life being taken away from him,' the teen's father Tracy Martin said.
He said they will continue pushing for charges to be filed against Zimmerman.
'We?re hoping this doesn?t happen again to another family, and that America opens their eyes ... even though this won?t bring Trayvon back,
we don?t want there to be another Trayvon,' Mr Martin said.
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The teenager's parents; mother Sabrina Fulton, right, and father Tracy Martin, left, are said to be devastated after hearing the 911 calls of their son's last moments

Benjamin Crump, the attorney for Martin's family, said that the 911 calls show that the teenager spent the last few moments of his life terrified and Zimmerman should be charged
After listening to recordings of 911 calls, Martin's family said they're more convinced than ever that the Zimmerman should be charged with a crime.
'You hear a shot, a clear shot, then you hear a 17-year-old boy begging for his life,' said Natalie Jackson, the family attorney. 'Then you hear a second shot.'
The case has been turned over to the State Attorney's Office which can decide whether to file charges or present evidence to a grand jury.
Attorney Benjamin Crump, who is also representing the family, told reporters outside Sanford City Hall that Martin's parents both broke down and cried as they listened to the recordings.
'They are completely devastated, and they are in unbelievable grief,' Crump said. 'The last seconds of his life were in absolute fear.'
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Martin was visiting his father and stepmother in Sanford where they live at The Retreat at Twin Lakes, pictured, when he popped out to buy snacks for his younger brother
He added that a third witness has come forward saying it was the boy who was crying for help.
Martin's parents, Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton, previously sued to have the recordings released. A hearing for the case had been scheduled for Monday.
Moments after Zimmerman's initial call, dispatchers were bombarded by seven 911 calls from frantic neighbors describing a fight between two men, screaming and then a gunshot.
'There is somebody screaming outside,' one female caller said, as an unknown male voice can be heard crying in the background. Then a shot is heard.
A male caller described a physical altercation between Martin and the shooter.
'I just heard a shot right behind my house,' The caller said. 'They're wrestling right behind my porch. The guy is yelling 'Help.' I'm not going outside.'

By the time police officers arrived, unarmed Trayvon, who had been carrying Skittles and soda, was dead on the ground from a single gunshot
Another woman said a man in a 'white top' was on top Trayvon.
Earlier on Friday, Martin's parents called on the FBI to take over the investigation, saying they no longer trusted the Sanford police department.
Sanford police Sgt. David Morgenstern said the department stands by its investigation but welcomes help from any outside agency. FBI agent David Couvertier said the agency has been in contact with Sanford police and is monitoring the case.
'We are committed to having somebody review this to see if we made a mistake,' said Sanford Mayor Jeff Triplett. 'If we made missteps and there is something there, we will act accordingly'

Trayvon's family believe Zimmerman should be charged and brought to justice for shooting their young son
Several Sanford residents who spoke to The Associated Press said they think there would have been an arrest already if the shooter had been black and the deceased had been white.
They said blacks and whites in this city of 53,000 residents were pretty much in agreement that an injustice had been done with no one arrested, and that there was no racial divide in how the case is being perceived. The city is 57 percent white and 30 percent black.
Zimmerman's father delivered a letter to the Orlando Sentinel on Thursday, saying the way his son is being depicted in the media is cruel and misleading.
He also says his son has received death threats and moved out of his home. George Zimmerman is Hispanic and grew up in a multiracial family, the statement says.

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noddyholder · 14/07/2013 23:06

He was murdered. The after effects of this will be far reaching

TabithaStephens · 14/07/2013 23:07

He wasn't murdered.

OldMacEIEIO · 14/07/2013 23:08

alis, hoodies are normal clothing.

and your point is ???

dogs licking their balls are normal.
dogs frothing and straining are normal.

So I judge the threat as I go

creighton · 14/07/2013 23:09

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Suelford · 14/07/2013 23:09

The last thing Trayvon did wasn't trying to get home, at one point he was only 100 yards away from his home, and the place he was killed 4 mins later was much further away, so he must have turned around near to his home to go and confront Zimmerman.

chocolatespiders · 14/07/2013 23:10

How do you explain no DNA on Trayvons hands when so much contact with Zimmerman was made?

creighton · 14/07/2013 23:11

why should martin tolerate being accosted in the street by a creature like Zimmerman? who made him the judge of who can travel where? why does a black man have to justify his existence to any white idiot who bothers him in the street?

OldMacEIEIO · 14/07/2013 23:11

poor creighton, living in a culture where we believe it's better that 9 guilty go free than one innocent is wrongly jailed

chocolatespiders · 14/07/2013 23:12

Suelford - how do you know he was at one point 100 yards from home? Witnesses only came out when they heard the commotion.

cosydressinggown · 14/07/2013 23:14

Oh he had good intentions Tabitha, I see. He wanted to prevent burglaries, so of course you're fine with him racially profiling and targeting a teenager on his way home from the sweet shop because he was black and wearing a hooded top and in his racist and egotistical mind looked like the kind of guy who might be about to steal something. He only wanted to prevent burglaries, poor chap. It's him that deserves the sympathy, not the teenager who got stalked and then killed.

I'm going to leave this here, as I think the majority (of this thread and the world) are seeing this in the right way, and I don't know what kind of sick agenda you are satisfying by sitting at your computer defending a racist killer, but perhaps I'd better let you get back to that, as I don't think you're capable of seeing the truth and will undoubtedly reply to this with more of your enabling-a-racist-killer bullshit.

creighton · 14/07/2013 23:14

oldmac, what does that mean? why don't you put down the bottle and sober up? what in my last posts leads you to talk nonsense? please explain

creighton · 14/07/2013 23:16

can someone explain what oldmac means, please? is she on a parallel universe/thread?

Suelford · 14/07/2013 23:20

chocolatespiders Ah yes, I was a bit confused, when Zimmerman lost sight of Trayvon he was 100 yards away from home, then 4 minutes later he was killed there, at the 100 yards away. It doesn't take 4 minutes to travel 100 yards/90 metres, so he must have turned back on the way home, or been hiding at a spot nearby.

AmberLeaf · 14/07/2013 23:20

As for the closing statement, shouldn't you be more concerned with facts rather than statements designed to stir emotions?

Are you having a laugh? have you read the thread?

How many inaccuracies about Trayvon have been posted on here all in the name of slurring him and showing that he deserved to be killed.

Facts? go and find them for yourself and then come back.

OldMacEIEIO · 14/07/2013 23:21

creighton - bottle ?
lol. it's always the same people who resort to this type of stuff.
never mind

creighton · 14/07/2013 23:23

''poor creighton, living in a culture where we believe it's better that 9 guilty go free than one innocent is wrongly jailed''

I am curious to know what this statement means? please point out which posts of mine correlate with this statement?

chocolatespiders · 14/07/2013 23:28

Sarcasm is really unnecessary.

Maybe he was taking his time getting home whilst talking on his phone to his friend - that is something my teenager would do.

Maybe he was hanging in the bit where vehicles couldn't drive in the hope that Zimmerman would fuck off and stop following in his car.

cory · 14/07/2013 23:41

Sorry, could somebody please explain two things to me:

a) how reliable is the evidence that Martin attacked Zimmermann- what exactly does it rest on

b) if Martin did attack Zimmermann, the man who was stalking him down the road with a gun, why is this not considered reasonable self defence by the people who think Zimmermann was justified in shooting Martin if he thought he was a burglar? Why would Zimmermann have the right to defend himself and not Martin?

Suelford · 14/07/2013 23:41

No sarcasm, chocolatespiders. At the trial, the friend he was on the phone with said that he told her that he was right outside home, then she heard a scuffle and the phone cut off. But the fight actually occurred 100 yards north, by Zimmerman's car. And he wasn't dawdling the remaining distance, because it was raining and he had broken into a jog.

If he was hanging around waiting for Zimmerman to disappear in his car, it wouldn't matter because at that point Zimmerman was on foot. And Zimmerman had given up searching and was heading back to his car, so if Trayvon was waiting for him to leave, why did he then approach him as he was leaving?

chocolatespiders · 14/07/2013 23:48

And Zimmerman had given up searching and was heading back to his car, so if Trayvon was waiting for him to leave, why did he then approach him as he was leaving?

How do you know this? surely this is just the defense story.

Suelford · 14/07/2013 23:49

cory

A) The evidence that Martin attacked Zimmerman is based on (1) Zimmerman's testimony (obviously could be a lie, but police/lie detectors believed him), (2) witness evidence - Zimmerman was wearing a red shirt, a witness said s/he saw a man stood over someone in a red shirt beating him (witness evidence is notoriously unreliable), (3) forensic evidence - Zimmerman had injuries to the front and back of his head consistent with being punched and slammed into concrete floor. Most reliable.

B) As creepy, threatening, and insulting as being followed down the street may be, it doesn't give you the right to use physical force on someone. He had nothing to defend himself from, especially since Zimmerman had lost track of him and had given up the search.

Suelford · 14/07/2013 23:50

"surely this is just the defense story"

No, Trayvon's friend said he had told her on the phone that he had lost Zimmerman.

chocolatespiders · 14/07/2013 23:54

a) how reliable is the evidence that Martin attacked Zimmermann- what exactly does it rest on

I dont know what it rests on there was no DNA from Z on Trayvons hands but plenty of DNA the other way round. Defense claim it is because Trayvon's hands were not bagged at the scene so a mistake of the police.
And the tiny cuts on the back of his head even though it was said they were not consistent with head slamming on concrete.

Self defense should have been a shot in the sir or a shot to injure not a fucking bullet through the heart.

I am leaving this thread now as it could go on and on and I find it absolutely heartbreaking- the images of Trayvons body will be with me a long time.

RIP Trayvon.. hope your family find peace.

cory · 14/07/2013 23:58

Thanks suelford for a. as for:

"B) As creepy, threatening, and insulting as being followed down the street may be, it doesn't give you the right to use physical force on someone. He had nothing to defend himself from, especially since Zimmerman had lost track of him and had given up the search."

I could quite agree with this; I just don't quite get how this works for the posters who claim that you do have the right to use physical force if you feel under threat- which is the argument advanced by the Zimmermann apologists on this thread. I am wondering how they can have their cake and eat it.

AmberLeaf · 14/07/2013 23:58

Zimmerman had injuries to the front and back of his head consistent with being punched and slammed into concrete floor. Most reliable

Yet Trayvon had no injuries to his hands that would be consistent with administering such a beating. autopsy report. Most reliable.