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Where is the fucking justice for Trayvon Martin? a 17 year old INNOCENT CHILD shot to death simply because he was walking in his father's gated community.

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chewchewmeaw · 17/03/2012 19:10

Why in gods hell has that MURDERER not been arrested?

Are they looking for riots? they will happen if Zimmerman is not brought to justice. I am so sickened by this.

I wouldn't be surprised if you haven't heard this story yet - very slow in reporting it.

He was begging for his life': Family's anger as police finally play 911 calls made by neighborhood watch captain who shot black teen

Trayvon Martin,17, was shot dead by George Zimmerman, 28, last month, who claims the killing was self defense and has not been charged
Police finally gave into mounting pressure on Friday and released eight 911 calls
The teen's family say the calls show Zimmerman was the 'aggressor' not Trayvon

The police have finally released the 911 calls made in relation to the killing of an unarmed black teenager who was shot by a white neighborhood watch captain.

George Zimmerman, 28, had called 911 to report a suspicious man and can be heard pursuing Trayvon Martin, 17, on foot against the dispatcher's advice causing the teen to run away.
Moments later the police are bombarded with calls from terrified neighbors as a voice in the background can be heard desperately screaming for help before the sound of two gun shots.
When police arrived at Florida's Retreat at Twin Lakes Townhomes they found Trayvon, who had been returning from a store with candy for his younger brother, had been shot dead by Zimmerman.
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Trayvon Martin, 17, left, was killed by George Zimmerman, 28, right, after the neighborhood watch captain pursued him as walked in a gated community

Zimmerman had called 911 after spotting the teen walking through the gated community.
'This guy looks like he is up to no good. He is on drugs or something,' Zimmerman told the dispatcher from his SUV.
He added that the black teen had his hand in his waistband and was walking around looking at homes.

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'These a---. They always get away,' Zimmerman said on a 911 call.
During Zimmerman's initial call, he told the dispatcher he was following Martin and the dispatcher told him, 'You don't need to do that.'
But Zimmerman sounds as if he continues to pursue the teen saying: 'He ran.'
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In Zimmerman's 911 call he said Martin, pictured, looked like he 'up to no good' and on drugs as the teen returned home with skittles for his brother
He then refuses to meet police officers at an agreed location and asks for them to call him on arrival instead so he can tell them where he is.
Sanford police officials, who have not charged Zimmerman after accepting his claim that his actions were in self defense, finally released eight 911 calls on Friday after mounting pressure.
Martin's family had demanded the release of the calls to help better understand how Martin died while walking home from a convenience store last month.
'He was yelling for help, and no one could help him. He saw his life being taken away from him,' the teen's father Tracy Martin said.
He said they will continue pushing for charges to be filed against Zimmerman.
'We?re hoping this doesn?t happen again to another family, and that America opens their eyes ... even though this won?t bring Trayvon back,
we don?t want there to be another Trayvon,' Mr Martin said.
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The teenager's parents; mother Sabrina Fulton, right, and father Tracy Martin, left, are said to be devastated after hearing the 911 calls of their son's last moments

Benjamin Crump, the attorney for Martin's family, said that the 911 calls show that the teenager spent the last few moments of his life terrified and Zimmerman should be charged
After listening to recordings of 911 calls, Martin's family said they're more convinced than ever that the Zimmerman should be charged with a crime.
'You hear a shot, a clear shot, then you hear a 17-year-old boy begging for his life,' said Natalie Jackson, the family attorney. 'Then you hear a second shot.'
The case has been turned over to the State Attorney's Office which can decide whether to file charges or present evidence to a grand jury.
Attorney Benjamin Crump, who is also representing the family, told reporters outside Sanford City Hall that Martin's parents both broke down and cried as they listened to the recordings.
'They are completely devastated, and they are in unbelievable grief,' Crump said. 'The last seconds of his life were in absolute fear.'
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Martin was visiting his father and stepmother in Sanford where they live at The Retreat at Twin Lakes, pictured, when he popped out to buy snacks for his younger brother
He added that a third witness has come forward saying it was the boy who was crying for help.
Martin's parents, Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton, previously sued to have the recordings released. A hearing for the case had been scheduled for Monday.
Moments after Zimmerman's initial call, dispatchers were bombarded by seven 911 calls from frantic neighbors describing a fight between two men, screaming and then a gunshot.
'There is somebody screaming outside,' one female caller said, as an unknown male voice can be heard crying in the background. Then a shot is heard.
A male caller described a physical altercation between Martin and the shooter.
'I just heard a shot right behind my house,' The caller said. 'They're wrestling right behind my porch. The guy is yelling 'Help.' I'm not going outside.'

By the time police officers arrived, unarmed Trayvon, who had been carrying Skittles and soda, was dead on the ground from a single gunshot
Another woman said a man in a 'white top' was on top Trayvon.
Earlier on Friday, Martin's parents called on the FBI to take over the investigation, saying they no longer trusted the Sanford police department.
Sanford police Sgt. David Morgenstern said the department stands by its investigation but welcomes help from any outside agency. FBI agent David Couvertier said the agency has been in contact with Sanford police and is monitoring the case.
'We are committed to having somebody review this to see if we made a mistake,' said Sanford Mayor Jeff Triplett. 'If we made missteps and there is something there, we will act accordingly'

Trayvon's family believe Zimmerman should be charged and brought to justice for shooting their young son
Several Sanford residents who spoke to The Associated Press said they think there would have been an arrest already if the shooter had been black and the deceased had been white.
They said blacks and whites in this city of 53,000 residents were pretty much in agreement that an injustice had been done with no one arrested, and that there was no racial divide in how the case is being perceived. The city is 57 percent white and 30 percent black.
Zimmerman's father delivered a letter to the Orlando Sentinel on Thursday, saying the way his son is being depicted in the media is cruel and misleading.
He also says his son has received death threats and moved out of his home. George Zimmerman is Hispanic and grew up in a multiracial family, the statement says.

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Alisvolatpropiis · 14/07/2013 17:27

MrsD

That seems to be exactly what some posters are implying.

staffie99 · 14/07/2013 17:30

The injustices against black people just goes on and on.

This is quite possible true, however the saying "pick your battles" is very apt here. The black community was very unwise to go all in to back this case to highlight injustice against black people, given that all the evidence available supports Zimmerman and even political presume from the most powerful person in the world couldn't get him convicted.

Same as the OJ Simpson case, in that instance having street parties and so on to celebrate the acquittal of once of the most obviously guilty people in history doesn't help the equality cause.

emuloc · 14/07/2013 17:32

Nothing quite possible about it at all.

TabithaStephens · 14/07/2013 17:37

Was Zimmerman really acting recklessly by acting as a neighbourhood watchman in watching someone he didn't know walking around their gated community?

PumpkinPositive · 14/07/2013 17:38

If Trayvon had kept walking he'd still be alive today. Instead he turned back to confront and attack Zimmerman

How can we know that?? Zimmerman had already ignored an order from 911 to step back. You could just as easily make the case for trigger happy thwarted cop spoiling for a fight whatever the victim did (or didn't do). We only have Zimmerman's word for how the physical confrontation started - cant cross examine Trayvon.

jacks365 · 14/07/2013 17:40

Injustices against black people do go on however with everything I've read the right verdict was reached. Yes zimmerman followed him yes zimmerman shot him but there are question marks over the sequence of events ie had zimmerman lost martin and headed back to his car and then martin attacked him? Did zimmerman threaten martin first or vice versa, following is not threatening by the way. The answers aren't really known so the jury had reasonable doubt.

It was an awful incident but no one knows whether it was murder or not hence not guilty.

PumpkinPositive · 14/07/2013 17:40

Same as the OJ Simpson case, in that instance having street parties and so on to celebrate the acquittal of once of the most obviously guilty people in history doesn't help the equality cause

I'm white and have never been totally convinced Simpson did the dirty deed himself.

WestieMamma · 14/07/2013 17:40

Was Zimmerman really acting recklessly by acting as a neighbourhood watchman in watching someone he didn't know walking around their gated community?

Probably not, but he may well have crossed that line when he ignored the instructions from the police dispatcher to do things his own way.

limitedperiodonly · 14/07/2013 17:42

I still think letting Zimmerman off the hook provides a cosy distraction to the subject of WTAF was a man with so many criminal charges on him allowed to carry a gun around?!

Sorry. Just going back through the thread after a day out.

That's a bloody good point specialagent. It doesn't matter what colour you are. If I lived on that estate, I'd be complaining bitterly that such a person was allowed a position of authority or allowed to think he had the right to authority over me.

I wonder what other transgressors Zimmerman felt he had the right to keep the streets safe from?

I assume the estate had some kind of private security patrol. Why did they think it was okay to allow someone with convictions for violence to join them? And why did the police not tell them this was a bad idea? I doubt you can be in any US police force if you have a conviction for violence. That's why some ex-coppers here and there have to join private security firms Hmm

I understand he has the right to bear arms, but giving someone like him a deputy's badge is asking for it. Which is apparently what Trayvon Martin did Hmm

littlemisswise · 14/07/2013 17:42

We only have the word of a violent, aggressive man who was told not to pursue Trayvon by the police of what happened. We don't know he turned back. And so what if he did turn back, does that mean he deserves to die? Of course it fucking doesn't. He was walking back from the shop FFS, he wasn't doing anything wrong.

emuloc · 14/07/2013 17:46

Try telling a few of the posters on here that.

staffie99 · 14/07/2013 17:48

ignored the instructions from the police dispatcher

What instructions?

dispatcher: are you following him?
zimmerman: yeah
dispatcher: ok, we don't need you to do that.

That isn't an instruction and it isn't an order. Why do people persist in making things up when the information is publicly available to show what was really said?

emuloc · 14/07/2013 17:49

What part of we dont need you to do that needs translating.

Chanatan · 14/07/2013 17:50

There,s another thread here where anybody defending Trayvon Martin has accused of being blackAngry

TabithaStephens · 14/07/2013 17:52

"We don't need you to do that" isn't an order, and even if it was, Police Dispatchers have no kind of authority to issue orders.

staffie99 · 14/07/2013 17:53

"We don't need you to do that" is not an order. I'm really not going to explain something so basic in the English language to another (presumably) adult.

Ashoething · 14/07/2013 17:55

Its amazing that there are so many people on mn who know so much about the American legal system and the laws of evidenceHmm

Just because you happen to not agree with the verdict does not mean it was not the correct one based on the evidence presented to the jury.

emuloc · 14/07/2013 17:59

We dont need you to do that does not translate into follow and then get into whatever and end up taking a life now does it. Unless I have not understood plain english.

staffie99 · 14/07/2013 18:03

I'm not sure if you're being deliberately obtuse here, but generally in life, absence of somebody telling you what to do does not mean you must do nothing. Free will is good like that.

WestieMamma · 14/07/2013 18:06

Its amazing that there are so many people on mn who know so much about the American legal system and the laws of evidence

When I did my law degree there was lots of looking at the laws in other jurisdictions. Partly from a 'compare and contrast' perspective and partly because they can be cited in the UK system.

Ashoething · 14/07/2013 18:08

I also have a law degree.In Scotland.As does my dh. I still wouldn't presume to know the evidential laws of another country.

Kiriwawa · 14/07/2013 18:09

Are people really suggesting that judges and juries never get it wrong? Hmm

Bloody hell

TabithaStephens · 14/07/2013 18:10

In this case, given the evidence presented to them, there is no possible way that they could have found Zimmerman guilty. If you think otherwise, please explain where they went wrong.

Ashoething · 14/07/2013 18:14

Not suggesting that there are no miscarriages of justice at all. I am merely pointing out that just because you happen to not agree with a verdict does not mean that it is wrong based on the word of the law. And a jury of this man's peers-despite all the media hoopla-found George Zimmerman not guilty of murder based on the evidence presented to them.

TabithaStephens · 14/07/2013 18:16

Has anyone mentioned yet that the prosecution are in trouble for withholding evidence from the defence counsel? The whole trial was an utter farce, only brought about through media pressure, and Obama's statement.

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