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Where is the fucking justice for Trayvon Martin? a 17 year old INNOCENT CHILD shot to death simply because he was walking in his father's gated community.

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chewchewmeaw · 17/03/2012 19:10

Why in gods hell has that MURDERER not been arrested?

Are they looking for riots? they will happen if Zimmerman is not brought to justice. I am so sickened by this.

I wouldn't be surprised if you haven't heard this story yet - very slow in reporting it.

He was begging for his life': Family's anger as police finally play 911 calls made by neighborhood watch captain who shot black teen

Trayvon Martin,17, was shot dead by George Zimmerman, 28, last month, who claims the killing was self defense and has not been charged
Police finally gave into mounting pressure on Friday and released eight 911 calls
The teen's family say the calls show Zimmerman was the 'aggressor' not Trayvon

The police have finally released the 911 calls made in relation to the killing of an unarmed black teenager who was shot by a white neighborhood watch captain.

George Zimmerman, 28, had called 911 to report a suspicious man and can be heard pursuing Trayvon Martin, 17, on foot against the dispatcher's advice causing the teen to run away.
Moments later the police are bombarded with calls from terrified neighbors as a voice in the background can be heard desperately screaming for help before the sound of two gun shots.
When police arrived at Florida's Retreat at Twin Lakes Townhomes they found Trayvon, who had been returning from a store with candy for his younger brother, had been shot dead by Zimmerman.
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Trayvon Martin, 17, left, was killed by George Zimmerman, 28, right, after the neighborhood watch captain pursued him as walked in a gated community

Zimmerman had called 911 after spotting the teen walking through the gated community.
'This guy looks like he is up to no good. He is on drugs or something,' Zimmerman told the dispatcher from his SUV.
He added that the black teen had his hand in his waistband and was walking around looking at homes.

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'These a---. They always get away,' Zimmerman said on a 911 call.
During Zimmerman's initial call, he told the dispatcher he was following Martin and the dispatcher told him, 'You don't need to do that.'
But Zimmerman sounds as if he continues to pursue the teen saying: 'He ran.'
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In Zimmerman's 911 call he said Martin, pictured, looked like he 'up to no good' and on drugs as the teen returned home with skittles for his brother
He then refuses to meet police officers at an agreed location and asks for them to call him on arrival instead so he can tell them where he is.
Sanford police officials, who have not charged Zimmerman after accepting his claim that his actions were in self defense, finally released eight 911 calls on Friday after mounting pressure.
Martin's family had demanded the release of the calls to help better understand how Martin died while walking home from a convenience store last month.
'He was yelling for help, and no one could help him. He saw his life being taken away from him,' the teen's father Tracy Martin said.
He said they will continue pushing for charges to be filed against Zimmerman.
'We?re hoping this doesn?t happen again to another family, and that America opens their eyes ... even though this won?t bring Trayvon back,
we don?t want there to be another Trayvon,' Mr Martin said.
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The teenager's parents; mother Sabrina Fulton, right, and father Tracy Martin, left, are said to be devastated after hearing the 911 calls of their son's last moments

Benjamin Crump, the attorney for Martin's family, said that the 911 calls show that the teenager spent the last few moments of his life terrified and Zimmerman should be charged
After listening to recordings of 911 calls, Martin's family said they're more convinced than ever that the Zimmerman should be charged with a crime.
'You hear a shot, a clear shot, then you hear a 17-year-old boy begging for his life,' said Natalie Jackson, the family attorney. 'Then you hear a second shot.'
The case has been turned over to the State Attorney's Office which can decide whether to file charges or present evidence to a grand jury.
Attorney Benjamin Crump, who is also representing the family, told reporters outside Sanford City Hall that Martin's parents both broke down and cried as they listened to the recordings.
'They are completely devastated, and they are in unbelievable grief,' Crump said. 'The last seconds of his life were in absolute fear.'
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Martin was visiting his father and stepmother in Sanford where they live at The Retreat at Twin Lakes, pictured, when he popped out to buy snacks for his younger brother
He added that a third witness has come forward saying it was the boy who was crying for help.
Martin's parents, Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton, previously sued to have the recordings released. A hearing for the case had been scheduled for Monday.
Moments after Zimmerman's initial call, dispatchers were bombarded by seven 911 calls from frantic neighbors describing a fight between two men, screaming and then a gunshot.
'There is somebody screaming outside,' one female caller said, as an unknown male voice can be heard crying in the background. Then a shot is heard.
A male caller described a physical altercation between Martin and the shooter.
'I just heard a shot right behind my house,' The caller said. 'They're wrestling right behind my porch. The guy is yelling 'Help.' I'm not going outside.'

By the time police officers arrived, unarmed Trayvon, who had been carrying Skittles and soda, was dead on the ground from a single gunshot
Another woman said a man in a 'white top' was on top Trayvon.
Earlier on Friday, Martin's parents called on the FBI to take over the investigation, saying they no longer trusted the Sanford police department.
Sanford police Sgt. David Morgenstern said the department stands by its investigation but welcomes help from any outside agency. FBI agent David Couvertier said the agency has been in contact with Sanford police and is monitoring the case.
'We are committed to having somebody review this to see if we made a mistake,' said Sanford Mayor Jeff Triplett. 'If we made missteps and there is something there, we will act accordingly'

Trayvon's family believe Zimmerman should be charged and brought to justice for shooting their young son
Several Sanford residents who spoke to The Associated Press said they think there would have been an arrest already if the shooter had been black and the deceased had been white.
They said blacks and whites in this city of 53,000 residents were pretty much in agreement that an injustice had been done with no one arrested, and that there was no racial divide in how the case is being perceived. The city is 57 percent white and 30 percent black.
Zimmerman's father delivered a letter to the Orlando Sentinel on Thursday, saying the way his son is being depicted in the media is cruel and misleading.
He also says his son has received death threats and moved out of his home. George Zimmerman is Hispanic and grew up in a multiracial family, the statement says.

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Alisvolatpropiis · 14/07/2013 16:47

What was the evidence used to prove he feared imminent death or great bodily harm? Out of interest?

I wonder how that defence would go in a UK court. "I killed him self defence after I followed and actually created the situation that required me to defend myself". Hmm

I find it appalling that the right to bear arms still exists, such an outdated,wilfully misunderstood law.

Alisvolatpropiis · 14/07/2013 16:49

Tabitha

Thank you for quote,it is interesting. Though familiar with UK law,the ins and outs of American law (particularly because it varies between states) is significantly different and varied.

TabithaStephens · 14/07/2013 16:51

How did Zimmerman cause Martin to attack him?

emuloc · 14/07/2013 16:57

Tabitha How did Trayon cause the guy to shoot hin.

TabithaStephens · 14/07/2013 16:58

By being on top of him and punching him in the head repeatedly, confirmed by ballistics reports and the testimony of the medical examiner.

emuloc · 14/07/2013 17:00

Why was he supposedly doing that. have you even thought about that for one second.

Alisvolatpropiis · 14/07/2013 17:05

So that might not have had something to do with a gun being waved at him then? By a random stranger? So he definitely didn't "attack" Zimmerman because he perceived his own life to be in danger? Definitely not? Trayvon Martin can't have punched Zimmerman in self defence but Zimmerman can shoot and kill in self defence?

American laws are awesome Hmm

MrsDeVere · 14/07/2013 17:07

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staffie99 · 14/07/2013 17:09

Gun being waved at him? Citation?

If you don't have one, please stick to real evidence, not things you've made up to support what you'd like to think happened.

Alisvolatpropiis · 14/07/2013 17:10

Unless there was CCTV footage of what happened then nobody knows what actually happened staffie

We have the word of Zimmerman and that's it. Forensics and ballistic reports can only do so much you know.

crazynanna · 14/07/2013 17:11

It took 20 years to bring Mr Lawrence's racist killers to justice here in the UK. This poor bugger in the US I feel doesn't have a chance

TabithaStephens · 14/07/2013 17:11

Having a gun is legal in Florida. You can't physically attack someone merely for having a gun and then claim it was self defence.

If Trayvon had kept walking he'd still be alive today. Instead he turned back to confront and attack Zimmerman.

Alisvolatpropiis · 14/07/2013 17:13

Yes carrying a gun is legal. Threatening somebody with it vigilante style is not.

You can have pre emptive self defence by the way. HTH.

staffie99 · 14/07/2013 17:13

Alis, usually in absence of any evidence you don't go making stuff up and stating them as facts to fill in the blanks.

TabithaStephens · 14/07/2013 17:13

Comparing this case to the Stephen Lawrence murder is utterly ridiculous. The media has been appalling in the most part on their reporting, Gary Younge's article in the Guardian today is particularly bad.

emuloc · 14/07/2013 17:14

TabithaStephens Why oh Why did you not tell us before that you was there when this happened.

Alisvolatpropiis · 14/07/2013 17:14

Staffie

Can you read? I said might. Generally speaking when one says might the inference is that one is not stating something as fact.

Hassled · 14/07/2013 17:15

Very depressing comparison here with another case - here a black woman fired a warning shot to defend herself against violent partner and was jailed for 20 years. Even the violent partner says it was only a warning and self-defence.

limitedperiodonly · 14/07/2013 17:19

It matters because its adding to the media hype and encouraging people to think of "poor Trayvon" instead of encouraging a balanced view

I definitely think some people on this thread should be encouraged to think 'poor Trayvon'.

He's dead and guilty of no more than being a 17 year old boy who appears to have confronted someone who had the arrogance to believe he had no right to be where he was.

If poor Trayvon had been a bit older and more experienced about the havoc people like Zimmerman can wreak he might have swallowed it and be alive today. Still wouldn't make it right though.

staffie99 · 14/07/2013 17:20

I can read, the implication was clear. I would recommend taking literacy classes or perhaps studying a foreign language if you are unable to discern from your published comment why it is interpreted as such.

emuloc · 14/07/2013 17:23

It is so depressing to read stories like this. The injustices against black people just goes on and on.

AmberLeaf · 14/07/2013 17:23

If Trayvon had kept walking he'd still be alive today. Instead he turned back to confront and attack Zimmerman

If the roles were reversed you wouldn't be saying that.

As I said before, Trayvon on trial for his own murder.

MrsDeVere · 14/07/2013 17:23

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Alisvolatpropiis · 14/07/2013 17:23

Clearly not to you,as you're still not getting it.

WestieMamma · 14/07/2013 17:24

Why would manslaughter be a possible verdict?

Because there are different types of manslaughter. The quote you give relates to voluntary manslaughter but US law also has other types. For example, if you create a situation where someone dies/is killed by acting recklessly then you can be found guilty of manslaughter.

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