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Where is the fucking justice for Trayvon Martin? a 17 year old INNOCENT CHILD shot to death simply because he was walking in his father's gated community.

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chewchewmeaw · 17/03/2012 19:10

Why in gods hell has that MURDERER not been arrested?

Are they looking for riots? they will happen if Zimmerman is not brought to justice. I am so sickened by this.

I wouldn't be surprised if you haven't heard this story yet - very slow in reporting it.

He was begging for his life': Family's anger as police finally play 911 calls made by neighborhood watch captain who shot black teen

Trayvon Martin,17, was shot dead by George Zimmerman, 28, last month, who claims the killing was self defense and has not been charged
Police finally gave into mounting pressure on Friday and released eight 911 calls
The teen's family say the calls show Zimmerman was the 'aggressor' not Trayvon

The police have finally released the 911 calls made in relation to the killing of an unarmed black teenager who was shot by a white neighborhood watch captain.

George Zimmerman, 28, had called 911 to report a suspicious man and can be heard pursuing Trayvon Martin, 17, on foot against the dispatcher's advice causing the teen to run away.
Moments later the police are bombarded with calls from terrified neighbors as a voice in the background can be heard desperately screaming for help before the sound of two gun shots.
When police arrived at Florida's Retreat at Twin Lakes Townhomes they found Trayvon, who had been returning from a store with candy for his younger brother, had been shot dead by Zimmerman.
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Trayvon Martin, 17, left, was killed by George Zimmerman, 28, right, after the neighborhood watch captain pursued him as walked in a gated community

Zimmerman had called 911 after spotting the teen walking through the gated community.
'This guy looks like he is up to no good. He is on drugs or something,' Zimmerman told the dispatcher from his SUV.
He added that the black teen had his hand in his waistband and was walking around looking at homes.

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'These a---. They always get away,' Zimmerman said on a 911 call.
During Zimmerman's initial call, he told the dispatcher he was following Martin and the dispatcher told him, 'You don't need to do that.'
But Zimmerman sounds as if he continues to pursue the teen saying: 'He ran.'
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In Zimmerman's 911 call he said Martin, pictured, looked like he 'up to no good' and on drugs as the teen returned home with skittles for his brother
He then refuses to meet police officers at an agreed location and asks for them to call him on arrival instead so he can tell them where he is.
Sanford police officials, who have not charged Zimmerman after accepting his claim that his actions were in self defense, finally released eight 911 calls on Friday after mounting pressure.
Martin's family had demanded the release of the calls to help better understand how Martin died while walking home from a convenience store last month.
'He was yelling for help, and no one could help him. He saw his life being taken away from him,' the teen's father Tracy Martin said.
He said they will continue pushing for charges to be filed against Zimmerman.
'We?re hoping this doesn?t happen again to another family, and that America opens their eyes ... even though this won?t bring Trayvon back,
we don?t want there to be another Trayvon,' Mr Martin said.
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The teenager's parents; mother Sabrina Fulton, right, and father Tracy Martin, left, are said to be devastated after hearing the 911 calls of their son's last moments

Benjamin Crump, the attorney for Martin's family, said that the 911 calls show that the teenager spent the last few moments of his life terrified and Zimmerman should be charged
After listening to recordings of 911 calls, Martin's family said they're more convinced than ever that the Zimmerman should be charged with a crime.
'You hear a shot, a clear shot, then you hear a 17-year-old boy begging for his life,' said Natalie Jackson, the family attorney. 'Then you hear a second shot.'
The case has been turned over to the State Attorney's Office which can decide whether to file charges or present evidence to a grand jury.
Attorney Benjamin Crump, who is also representing the family, told reporters outside Sanford City Hall that Martin's parents both broke down and cried as they listened to the recordings.
'They are completely devastated, and they are in unbelievable grief,' Crump said. 'The last seconds of his life were in absolute fear.'
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Martin was visiting his father and stepmother in Sanford where they live at The Retreat at Twin Lakes, pictured, when he popped out to buy snacks for his younger brother
He added that a third witness has come forward saying it was the boy who was crying for help.
Martin's parents, Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton, previously sued to have the recordings released. A hearing for the case had been scheduled for Monday.
Moments after Zimmerman's initial call, dispatchers were bombarded by seven 911 calls from frantic neighbors describing a fight between two men, screaming and then a gunshot.
'There is somebody screaming outside,' one female caller said, as an unknown male voice can be heard crying in the background. Then a shot is heard.
A male caller described a physical altercation between Martin and the shooter.
'I just heard a shot right behind my house,' The caller said. 'They're wrestling right behind my porch. The guy is yelling 'Help.' I'm not going outside.'

By the time police officers arrived, unarmed Trayvon, who had been carrying Skittles and soda, was dead on the ground from a single gunshot
Another woman said a man in a 'white top' was on top Trayvon.
Earlier on Friday, Martin's parents called on the FBI to take over the investigation, saying they no longer trusted the Sanford police department.
Sanford police Sgt. David Morgenstern said the department stands by its investigation but welcomes help from any outside agency. FBI agent David Couvertier said the agency has been in contact with Sanford police and is monitoring the case.
'We are committed to having somebody review this to see if we made a mistake,' said Sanford Mayor Jeff Triplett. 'If we made missteps and there is something there, we will act accordingly'

Trayvon's family believe Zimmerman should be charged and brought to justice for shooting their young son
Several Sanford residents who spoke to The Associated Press said they think there would have been an arrest already if the shooter had been black and the deceased had been white.
They said blacks and whites in this city of 53,000 residents were pretty much in agreement that an injustice had been done with no one arrested, and that there was no racial divide in how the case is being perceived. The city is 57 percent white and 30 percent black.
Zimmerman's father delivered a letter to the Orlando Sentinel on Thursday, saying the way his son is being depicted in the media is cruel and misleading.
He also says his son has received death threats and moved out of his home. George Zimmerman is Hispanic and grew up in a multiracial family, the statement says.

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emuloc · 14/07/2013 14:14

There are only two people who really know what happend that night. One is now dead. If Trayon was hitting the other guy how do we know it was not in self defence. I think this guy has got away with nurder.

Ashoething · 14/07/2013 14:14

Hispanic males also make up a disproportionate amount of the prison population so to suggest they are not a minority or not subject to racism is errant nonsence. They went for a murder conviction because their hand was forced by people jumping on the band wagon about it being a racially motivated.

Alisvolatpropiis · 14/07/2013 14:15

mayor

What is a gang banger? I've heard the term before on American tv shows but don't know what it actually is,something to do with gangs obviously.

SpecialAgentTattooedQueen · 14/07/2013 14:16

SpeialAgent If you knew the fear before would that haye stopped you. Do not let your kids be hidden away but equip then to deal with people and please ensure that they know their history regarding slayery. Also ensure they know that people of colour haye done wonderfull things from inyentions to going into space. You probley (sp) do this anyway but it is surprising how nany people do not.

Thank you for your lovely advice, it means a lot as TBH I'm reaching the ages where innocent questions I don't know how to answer are being asked. I've read up/continue to read and learn about the amazing people of colour and how they've helped the world to be a better place. But as my DTs are two, I want to be able to find black toys but never can? My eldest DS has severe SN so that makes it even more difficult. :( Even finding black skinned dolls etc is hard. :(

Creighton told me there is a multicultural families board on here, so I'm going to check that out. Never realised as I just check Active! Blush

Anyway, sorry for the tangent... I just want my kids to grow up confident, happy and proud of their heritage without being fearful of suspicion because of the colour of their skin!!!

googlyeyes · 14/07/2013 14:18

There are only two people who really know what happend that night. One is now dead. If Trayon was hitting the other guy how do we know it was not in self defence

How can you say this and then go on to say it's your opinion that Zimmerman got away with murder?

Alisvolatpropiis · 14/07/2013 14:20

Ashoe

I didn't say Hispanics weren't subject to discrimination.

1 in 27 Hispanics are incarcerated
1 in 11 Aftrican Americans is incarcerated.

As opposed to 1 in 45 Caucasians.

I'm still not sure how Zimmerman being Hispanic means it was ok for him to shoot and kill Trayvon Martin.

Murder,ok maybe not. Manslaughter? Certainly. Gross injustice that he was found not guilty of all charges.

OldMacEIEIO · 14/07/2013 14:21

because that's what the herd is saying. quick - follow that bandwagon

SpecialAgentTattooedQueen · 14/07/2013 14:23

Sorry just read this part:

SpeialAgent If you knew the fear before would that haye stopped you.

If you mean marry and have my amazing DC with my amazing DH? No, if I'd 'known' I still would have, and in a heartbeat.

What I meant was totally understanding the very real terror of being a minority only comes with being a minority. I may not be, my sweet, perfect DC are.
The terror is becoming more real to me every single day, I hope by the time they are teenagers things are not only drastically different but they'll know their heritage because they should, not just because they need too IYSWIM?

emuloc · 14/07/2013 14:26

Awww SpecialAgent thank you for your reply.

SpecialAgentTattooedQueen · 14/07/2013 14:28

I still think letting Zimmerman off the hook provides a cosy distraction to the subject of WTAF was a man with so many criminal charges on him allowed to carry a gun around?!

So we're focusing on Zimmerman being a racist or a vigilante or both (IMHO, he is) and NOT questioning why it was legal of him to carry such a weapon.

You may not be able to stop people viewing themselves as the guardian angel of their area, or stop racists from being racists. BUT you can stop those sorts having a fucking gun to wave around in all their superiority.

All this case did was prove gun = I am safe no matter what, or for what reason. The System understands. After all I have a groan Constitutional right huffs, puffs with indignation that you dare question my beloved weapon to wave a gun around at all times...

mayorquimby · 14/07/2013 14:30

"What is a gang banger? I've heard the term before on American tv shows but don't know what it actually is,something to do with gangs obviously."

Essentially that. People who are overtly involved in gangs and are actively engaged in gang related activity (tagging, drug dealing, violence etc.)

SpecialAgentTattooedQueen · 14/07/2013 14:30

Thank you emuloc Blush I didn't say anything special, but it's always comforting to know someone thinks I'm doing right for my family!

DH is now in his own angry internet world about this case! I'm afraid to check what he;s said on his forums...

emuloc · 14/07/2013 14:33

Googlyeyes it is what it is an opinion. Is Trayvon not dead.

CheerfulYank · 14/07/2013 14:34

TattooedQueen it is sad. Someone I know on FB (she was a good childhood friend) is Mexican and married to a black man. They have a lovely 10 year old DS and she was just saying she warns him all the time about how young black men are treated and how he has to be aware of everything. That she should need to talk to her child about this is unbelievably sad.

Alisvolatpropiis · 14/07/2013 14:35

Thanks mayor I figured it was a self explanatory term but thought there might be more than meets the eye ifyswim.

OldMacEIEIO · 14/07/2013 14:45

Meanwhile, in Cobb County, Ga., four gangbangers beat a randomly chosen white man until he staggers out into traffic where he is run over and killed. Luckily, it?s not a hate crime?

www.ajc.com/news/news/local/police-mableton-fatal-assault-not-racially-motivat/nYpGG/

WestieMamma · 14/07/2013 14:45

Any law which allows people with a history of violent behaviour to carry a gun is insane and needs to go.

My heart goes out to Trayvon's parents. I look at my baby son sleeping peacefully next to me and can't begin to imagine their pain :(

FreudiansSlipper · 14/07/2013 14:46

white supremacy is still very much alive in our society too and it shows on this thread

It is so ingrained in our society we can not even see it at times and it needs to be addressed without cries of but I am not racist and for people to listen

Before anyone points out Zimmerman was not white I know but if he had shot a white boy (which under the same circumstances I am quite sure he would not have done) the verdict would be different and we would not even be debating this

emuloc · 14/07/2013 14:48

SpecialAgent Your DH had better be carefull what he says he would not want to be labeled an angry black man now would he. seriously though I an glad I have daughters as I have seen enough to know it is even harder for the black male. At least you are aware of these issues which can only help your son as he gets older. Now to try and find a black doll for DDs!!

Ashoething · 14/07/2013 14:52

White supremecy is alive on this thread? Really Freudian? I think the most racists comments have beem against white people as born out by the comments that have been deleted.

LittleSporksBigSpork · 14/07/2013 14:56

Other than the shot to the heart, the only wound the coroner found was an old cut on one finger. No offensive or defensive wounds other than the shot to the heart. It is unlikely that attacking would not have left any marks on Trayvon who didn't even have blood on his hands (meaning he didn't grab the wound and say you got me as Zimmerman had stated, according to the coroner's report he would have felt the pain for 1-10 minutes but was unable to move nor did he attack Zimmerman enough to draw blood on his hands).

Zimmerman was told by 911 dispatches specifically to not follow Trayvon. Zimmerman used specifically black racial slurs in referring to him in the phone call. He made it very clear in his phone call that Trayvon's race was why he felt he needed to be followed.

The judge disallowed both Trayvon's school records as well as Zimmerman's criminal records (which include grievous assault, sexual molestation and rape charges in Virginia). Also disallowed experts to prove it was Trayvon's voice pleading for help on the phone call.

The prosecutors allowed a girl to go on the stand unprepared, and along with the defense mocked the girl's speech. They allowed family and friends to be torn apart, similar to the Stephen Lawrence case. They basically allowed it to become a case not of Zimmerman's guilt but whether Trayvon deserved to die. Put on trial for his own murder.

Whether or not Latino Zimmerman has White passing privileged is by-the-by now, race is purposefully hierarchical and a light skinned Latino man over a Black teenager will win every time. That Latino man will be getting his gun back. Just as a White man (not all Caucasians are White) wins almost over everyone else, that's why they're mainly in charge of the dictionary which makes it purely about disliking a race (prejudice) rather than about the systematic institutional created hierarchies put in place to cover their butts and keep them in power.

Also in the news:
A Florida Black woman shoots her gun into the air to frighten off her ex-partner who by his own admission was there to harm her - she gets jail - 20 years in jail for no one getting hurt.

A trans* Black woman defends herself against Neo-nazis gets jail.

A Black man's home is invaded by White neo-nazis in New York who threaten and attack his family, gets jail.

Bad year to be Black in America, just like every other year then.

The news may make plays at riots, but there is little evidence other than their fears. There are planned marches, nothing else. Personally, I'm more afraid for my families still in the States of more Zimmermans.

Alisvolatpropiis · 14/07/2013 14:56

I don't know if either of you have come across this site before www.blackbeautydolls.com/

SpecialAgent and emuloc but it does black toys for boys and girls.

SpecialAgentTattooedQueen · 14/07/2013 14:58

Meanwhile, in Cobb County, Ga., four gangbangers beat a randomly chosen white man until he staggers out into traffic where he is run over and killed. Luckily, it?s not a hate crime?

And this relates to Trayvon's death how? Unless of course you're arguing that minorities are dangerous and thus any crime involving them couldn't possibly be racially motivated... Plus Zimmerman was not charged with a hate crime so again... Relevance?

But I don't think anyone would be that callous, so as I've clearly misunderstood your point of raising that case, please explain?

Cheerful Yes, it breaks my heart I need to teach my DC from as young as possible in an age appropriate way how they should handle discrimination. :(

I know but if he had shot a white boy (which under the same circumstances I am quite sure he would not have done) the verdict would be different and we would not even be debating this

^

This. Bar a couple of posters (one disgustingly bigoted) no one is actually claiming Zimmerman wasn't a racist, just what sentence he should have faced.

The way Zimmerman handled his reaction to Martin, plus the fact he received no sentence at all in any way, does come across like there was not only racist intent on his part, but a racist reaction by a 'jury of his peers.'

If it is to be believed this lunatic was racially motivated by his desperation to be The Big Bad Cop/Saviour Of The Town, the fact his own 'peers' agreed suggests inherent racism.

It breaks my heart not only did Trayvon not get justice, his grave is now tainted by the suggestion he provoked a thuggish attack.

Alisvolatpropiis · 14/07/2013 15:02

Old

Gangbangers? What are they then? As mayor explained to me that it is a term used in a derogatory fashion against Hispanic males - why say gangbangers when you should say Hispanic men?
Are you trying to argue that all ethnic minorities are dangerous, that white people never commit hate crimes? Surely not?

SpecialAgentTattooedQueen · 14/07/2013 15:04

Thank you Ali!! I wasn't aware but looks like I know what to get DS and DTS (both more into dolls than DTD, especially DS!) for Christmas. Grin Plus, seeing that site has all sorts of toys not just baby dolls I have somewhere I can provide a mixture of toys for my babies throughout their lives. Again, I know I'm a bit gushy (sorry Blush) but huuuuuuge weight off of my shoulders. Think kids may get a few surprise treats soon for no reason! Wink

Exactly emuloc Heaven forbid a black man have emotions, he must be full of rage and ready to kill at any moment! Angry

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