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Where is the fucking justice for Trayvon Martin? a 17 year old INNOCENT CHILD shot to death simply because he was walking in his father's gated community.

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chewchewmeaw · 17/03/2012 19:10

Why in gods hell has that MURDERER not been arrested?

Are they looking for riots? they will happen if Zimmerman is not brought to justice. I am so sickened by this.

I wouldn't be surprised if you haven't heard this story yet - very slow in reporting it.

He was begging for his life': Family's anger as police finally play 911 calls made by neighborhood watch captain who shot black teen

Trayvon Martin,17, was shot dead by George Zimmerman, 28, last month, who claims the killing was self defense and has not been charged
Police finally gave into mounting pressure on Friday and released eight 911 calls
The teen's family say the calls show Zimmerman was the 'aggressor' not Trayvon

The police have finally released the 911 calls made in relation to the killing of an unarmed black teenager who was shot by a white neighborhood watch captain.

George Zimmerman, 28, had called 911 to report a suspicious man and can be heard pursuing Trayvon Martin, 17, on foot against the dispatcher's advice causing the teen to run away.
Moments later the police are bombarded with calls from terrified neighbors as a voice in the background can be heard desperately screaming for help before the sound of two gun shots.
When police arrived at Florida's Retreat at Twin Lakes Townhomes they found Trayvon, who had been returning from a store with candy for his younger brother, had been shot dead by Zimmerman.
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Trayvon Martin, 17, left, was killed by George Zimmerman, 28, right, after the neighborhood watch captain pursued him as walked in a gated community

Zimmerman had called 911 after spotting the teen walking through the gated community.
'This guy looks like he is up to no good. He is on drugs or something,' Zimmerman told the dispatcher from his SUV.
He added that the black teen had his hand in his waistband and was walking around looking at homes.

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'These a---. They always get away,' Zimmerman said on a 911 call.
During Zimmerman's initial call, he told the dispatcher he was following Martin and the dispatcher told him, 'You don't need to do that.'
But Zimmerman sounds as if he continues to pursue the teen saying: 'He ran.'
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In Zimmerman's 911 call he said Martin, pictured, looked like he 'up to no good' and on drugs as the teen returned home with skittles for his brother
He then refuses to meet police officers at an agreed location and asks for them to call him on arrival instead so he can tell them where he is.
Sanford police officials, who have not charged Zimmerman after accepting his claim that his actions were in self defense, finally released eight 911 calls on Friday after mounting pressure.
Martin's family had demanded the release of the calls to help better understand how Martin died while walking home from a convenience store last month.
'He was yelling for help, and no one could help him. He saw his life being taken away from him,' the teen's father Tracy Martin said.
He said they will continue pushing for charges to be filed against Zimmerman.
'We?re hoping this doesn?t happen again to another family, and that America opens their eyes ... even though this won?t bring Trayvon back,
we don?t want there to be another Trayvon,' Mr Martin said.
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The teenager's parents; mother Sabrina Fulton, right, and father Tracy Martin, left, are said to be devastated after hearing the 911 calls of their son's last moments

Benjamin Crump, the attorney for Martin's family, said that the 911 calls show that the teenager spent the last few moments of his life terrified and Zimmerman should be charged
After listening to recordings of 911 calls, Martin's family said they're more convinced than ever that the Zimmerman should be charged with a crime.
'You hear a shot, a clear shot, then you hear a 17-year-old boy begging for his life,' said Natalie Jackson, the family attorney. 'Then you hear a second shot.'
The case has been turned over to the State Attorney's Office which can decide whether to file charges or present evidence to a grand jury.
Attorney Benjamin Crump, who is also representing the family, told reporters outside Sanford City Hall that Martin's parents both broke down and cried as they listened to the recordings.
'They are completely devastated, and they are in unbelievable grief,' Crump said. 'The last seconds of his life were in absolute fear.'
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Martin was visiting his father and stepmother in Sanford where they live at The Retreat at Twin Lakes, pictured, when he popped out to buy snacks for his younger brother
He added that a third witness has come forward saying it was the boy who was crying for help.
Martin's parents, Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton, previously sued to have the recordings released. A hearing for the case had been scheduled for Monday.
Moments after Zimmerman's initial call, dispatchers were bombarded by seven 911 calls from frantic neighbors describing a fight between two men, screaming and then a gunshot.
'There is somebody screaming outside,' one female caller said, as an unknown male voice can be heard crying in the background. Then a shot is heard.
A male caller described a physical altercation between Martin and the shooter.
'I just heard a shot right behind my house,' The caller said. 'They're wrestling right behind my porch. The guy is yelling 'Help.' I'm not going outside.'

By the time police officers arrived, unarmed Trayvon, who had been carrying Skittles and soda, was dead on the ground from a single gunshot
Another woman said a man in a 'white top' was on top Trayvon.
Earlier on Friday, Martin's parents called on the FBI to take over the investigation, saying they no longer trusted the Sanford police department.
Sanford police Sgt. David Morgenstern said the department stands by its investigation but welcomes help from any outside agency. FBI agent David Couvertier said the agency has been in contact with Sanford police and is monitoring the case.
'We are committed to having somebody review this to see if we made a mistake,' said Sanford Mayor Jeff Triplett. 'If we made missteps and there is something there, we will act accordingly'

Trayvon's family believe Zimmerman should be charged and brought to justice for shooting their young son
Several Sanford residents who spoke to The Associated Press said they think there would have been an arrest already if the shooter had been black and the deceased had been white.
They said blacks and whites in this city of 53,000 residents were pretty much in agreement that an injustice had been done with no one arrested, and that there was no racial divide in how the case is being perceived. The city is 57 percent white and 30 percent black.
Zimmerman's father delivered a letter to the Orlando Sentinel on Thursday, saying the way his son is being depicted in the media is cruel and misleading.
He also says his son has received death threats and moved out of his home. George Zimmerman is Hispanic and grew up in a multiracial family, the statement says.

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Justfornowitwilldo · 14/07/2013 13:37

How is it acceptable to shoot dead an unarmed teenager on a street??? What possible justification could there be?

OldMacEIEIO · 14/07/2013 13:38

self defence ?

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OldMacEIEIO · 14/07/2013 13:42

I was asked a sensible question, I gave a sensible answer

Alisvolatpropiis · 14/07/2013 13:43

OldMac

Bollocks it was self defence. If Zimmerman hasn't followed Trayvon for no reason after being told not to do so by the police then none of this would have happened.

It is a travesty he has been found not guilty of all charges.

Had the shoe been on the other foot and it had been Trayvon who had shot and killed Zimmerman I don't doubt for a second that he would have been found guilty of all charges.

SpecialAgentTattooedQueen · 14/07/2013 13:44

MrsDeVere Sun 14-Jul-13 13:31:26

The boy is dead.
He committed no crime, let alone a capital one.
Anyone who doesn't think he was followed and seen as a suspect can't have black sons or partners.
It is a cascade of events. Events that were put in motion by one man's fear of the Black Male.
Surely the most feared of all humans?
Why do you think minorities like to keep their business to themselves?
Because they have something to hide or because outcomes are so much poorer when outside agencies get involved?
Police, mental health, social services....
Keep your head down and don't chat your business.

^^^^

I am so afraid for my DC. :( I didn't know the fear before we had them. Now it's so prevalent in my mind, especially when the (global) public community tries to justify hate crimes.

I just want to lock my babies up with barred windows, make DH somehow work from home and keep us safe forever. :(

Justfornowitwilldo · 14/07/2013 13:45

Self defence? When the person was unarmed?

mayorquimby · 14/07/2013 13:45

"Why not shoot Trayvon Martin in the arm or the leg, or the foot, to get him to stop whatever he was supposedly doing? "
Anyone trained to shoot (don't know if Zimmerman did have training) would never attempt to shoot extremities, you shoot for centre mass.

The arguments about racism definitions are pointless, it's a subjective notion which different people bring their own bias to wrt whether there needs to be a power position etc.

The 95% thing for beyond reasonable doubt is a new one on me. Every lawyer and barrister on this side of the pond would never have heard of that, happy to be corrected for USA though.

OldMacEIEIO · 14/07/2013 13:47

if he hadnt followed him, that may be true. but he did.

a big teenage male is perfectly capable of killing or seriously injuring with his bare hands.
The guy with the gun had blood and cuts on the back of his head and claims his head was beeing bashed against the floor.

mayorquimby · 14/07/2013 13:48

"Self defence? When the person was unarmed?"

Well yes if the person felt their life was in danger. Don't think anyone on this thread will change their minds as to what happened in this specific case, but in a hypothetical discussion it is arguable that lethal force against an unarmed person could meet the criteria for self defence.

Justfornowitwilldo · 14/07/2013 13:48

Yes. The armed man who shot the unarmed teenager after following him is a totally reliable source.

Ashoething · 14/07/2013 13:48

mrsdevere-are you another poster conveniently ignoring the fact that george zimmerman is a minority?

Justfornowitwilldo · 14/07/2013 13:51

I hope that someone like the ACLU will fund a civil case against him.

Justfornowitwilldo · 14/07/2013 13:53

They may both be 'minorities' but one decided that the other could have no legitimate reason to be walking down that street based on the colour of his skin.

Alisvolatpropiis · 14/07/2013 13:56

Ashoething

He isn't according to the American press.

And correct me if I'm wrong but Hispanic males are not generally harassed by those in authority and portrayed in a stereotypical manner designed to make stupid people fear them. Black men are.

SpecialAgentTattooedQueen · 14/07/2013 13:58

So now Trayvon was out to kill Zimmerman with his 'bare hands,' but the guy who stalked him against begging policepeople who had a lethal weapon and a criminal history that reflected a need/desire for control and violence was... What? No one can say he was 'out to get' Martin even though he provoked a situation against police suggestion because that's offensive?

To me it makes zilch, zero sense why Zimmerman stalked a teen with a dangerous weapon if not to play the Big Bad Cop. After all, he was repeatedly denied employment to train to become a cop. Criminal record, repeat denial from the cops to join, vigilante behaviour against authority demands that resulted in a dead teen.... But he was let off because Martin attacked him first. I actually believe he did. He was being stalked! His fight/flight kicked in. He fought and got a fatal gunshot.

The fact he didn't even get manslaughter is what disturbs me the most. If he were confined to a psychiatric institute I'd understand given his history. If he were given any punishment AT ALL people wouldn't deem this racist of the American authorities.

But he stalked a child then murdered him because he thought he was suspicious -Against police who said THEY WERE ON THEIR WAY!!!-

Well, he wanted to be the Big Bad Hero. Congrats mate, you are. Enjoy your life long status... You earned it.

mayorquimby · 14/07/2013 13:58

Sorry but Hispanics are routinely treated as gang bangers or boarder jumpers in terms of the discrimination.

OldMacEIEIO · 14/07/2013 13:59

fwiw justinitfornow, I agree with you. I think this eejit was looking for someone to bully and picked on the wrong bloke.
He went from being the hard man to getting battered in a fraction of a second, and probably thought he was a gonner.

emuloc · 14/07/2013 14:00

SpeialAgent If you knew the fear before would that haye stopped you. Do not let your kids be hidden away but equip then to deal with people and please ensure that they know their history regarding slayery. Also ensure they know that people of colour haye done wonderfull things from inyentions to going into space. You probley (sp) do this anyway but it is surprising how nany people do not.

creighton · 14/07/2013 14:00

oldmaceieio, what do you mean the 'skittles defence'? I didn't realise that trayvon martin was charged with anything, oh wait, he was charged with being black and walking along a white man's street and so had to die. please keep mocking the dead boy.

OldMacEIEIO · 14/07/2013 14:05

i am not mocking the boy.never. he did not use the skittles defence, you did

manicinsomniac · 14/07/2013 14:06

My children are half Hispanic. There's no way I would ever take them to live in a border US state, the prejudice and outright racism against Hispanics there is very prevalent.

I agree that there is no way the jury could have found Zimmerman guilty of murder (too much evidence that he was being attacked) but I find it amazing that he hasn't been convicted of manslaughter. He killed an essentially innocent boy (maybe not completely innocent if he was attacking him but he hadn't commited any particular crime and wouldn't have bothered Zimmerman if he hadn't been following him.)

The racism is America towards both Black and Hispanic people is frightening to me and I don't understand it. But it isn't all (and proabaly not even the majority) of Americans.

googlyeyes · 14/07/2013 14:06

When we were in Florida 2 years ago a black teenager shot 2 unarmed white British holidaymakers at point blank range and in cold blood (they were found with their trousers down in a final humiliation). Fort no reason whatsoever.

Could it be extrapolated that white people are not safe in America anymore? Or that black people see white people's lives as cheap? And that black people are racist towards white people?

Or was it simply the evil act of an individual

googlyeyes · 14/07/2013 14:09

Ditto the OJ Simpson case, come to think of it.

Was that another case where white lives were seen to be cheap? And there were no threats of rioting when he laughably was aquitted.

I'm really interested as to how things become so skewed

OldMacEIEIO · 14/07/2013 14:11

it's money googleyes. the justice systems is a way of finding out which side has the most money to spend

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