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Where is the fucking justice for Trayvon Martin? a 17 year old INNOCENT CHILD shot to death simply because he was walking in his father's gated community.

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chewchewmeaw · 17/03/2012 19:10

Why in gods hell has that MURDERER not been arrested?

Are they looking for riots? they will happen if Zimmerman is not brought to justice. I am so sickened by this.

I wouldn't be surprised if you haven't heard this story yet - very slow in reporting it.

He was begging for his life': Family's anger as police finally play 911 calls made by neighborhood watch captain who shot black teen

Trayvon Martin,17, was shot dead by George Zimmerman, 28, last month, who claims the killing was self defense and has not been charged
Police finally gave into mounting pressure on Friday and released eight 911 calls
The teen's family say the calls show Zimmerman was the 'aggressor' not Trayvon

The police have finally released the 911 calls made in relation to the killing of an unarmed black teenager who was shot by a white neighborhood watch captain.

George Zimmerman, 28, had called 911 to report a suspicious man and can be heard pursuing Trayvon Martin, 17, on foot against the dispatcher's advice causing the teen to run away.
Moments later the police are bombarded with calls from terrified neighbors as a voice in the background can be heard desperately screaming for help before the sound of two gun shots.
When police arrived at Florida's Retreat at Twin Lakes Townhomes they found Trayvon, who had been returning from a store with candy for his younger brother, had been shot dead by Zimmerman.
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Trayvon Martin, 17, left, was killed by George Zimmerman, 28, right, after the neighborhood watch captain pursued him as walked in a gated community

Zimmerman had called 911 after spotting the teen walking through the gated community.
'This guy looks like he is up to no good. He is on drugs or something,' Zimmerman told the dispatcher from his SUV.
He added that the black teen had his hand in his waistband and was walking around looking at homes.

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'These a---. They always get away,' Zimmerman said on a 911 call.
During Zimmerman's initial call, he told the dispatcher he was following Martin and the dispatcher told him, 'You don't need to do that.'
But Zimmerman sounds as if he continues to pursue the teen saying: 'He ran.'
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In Zimmerman's 911 call he said Martin, pictured, looked like he 'up to no good' and on drugs as the teen returned home with skittles for his brother
He then refuses to meet police officers at an agreed location and asks for them to call him on arrival instead so he can tell them where he is.
Sanford police officials, who have not charged Zimmerman after accepting his claim that his actions were in self defense, finally released eight 911 calls on Friday after mounting pressure.
Martin's family had demanded the release of the calls to help better understand how Martin died while walking home from a convenience store last month.
'He was yelling for help, and no one could help him. He saw his life being taken away from him,' the teen's father Tracy Martin said.
He said they will continue pushing for charges to be filed against Zimmerman.
'We?re hoping this doesn?t happen again to another family, and that America opens their eyes ... even though this won?t bring Trayvon back,
we don?t want there to be another Trayvon,' Mr Martin said.
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The teenager's parents; mother Sabrina Fulton, right, and father Tracy Martin, left, are said to be devastated after hearing the 911 calls of their son's last moments

Benjamin Crump, the attorney for Martin's family, said that the 911 calls show that the teenager spent the last few moments of his life terrified and Zimmerman should be charged
After listening to recordings of 911 calls, Martin's family said they're more convinced than ever that the Zimmerman should be charged with a crime.
'You hear a shot, a clear shot, then you hear a 17-year-old boy begging for his life,' said Natalie Jackson, the family attorney. 'Then you hear a second shot.'
The case has been turned over to the State Attorney's Office which can decide whether to file charges or present evidence to a grand jury.
Attorney Benjamin Crump, who is also representing the family, told reporters outside Sanford City Hall that Martin's parents both broke down and cried as they listened to the recordings.
'They are completely devastated, and they are in unbelievable grief,' Crump said. 'The last seconds of his life were in absolute fear.'
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Martin was visiting his father and stepmother in Sanford where they live at The Retreat at Twin Lakes, pictured, when he popped out to buy snacks for his younger brother
He added that a third witness has come forward saying it was the boy who was crying for help.
Martin's parents, Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton, previously sued to have the recordings released. A hearing for the case had been scheduled for Monday.
Moments after Zimmerman's initial call, dispatchers were bombarded by seven 911 calls from frantic neighbors describing a fight between two men, screaming and then a gunshot.
'There is somebody screaming outside,' one female caller said, as an unknown male voice can be heard crying in the background. Then a shot is heard.
A male caller described a physical altercation between Martin and the shooter.
'I just heard a shot right behind my house,' The caller said. 'They're wrestling right behind my porch. The guy is yelling 'Help.' I'm not going outside.'

By the time police officers arrived, unarmed Trayvon, who had been carrying Skittles and soda, was dead on the ground from a single gunshot
Another woman said a man in a 'white top' was on top Trayvon.
Earlier on Friday, Martin's parents called on the FBI to take over the investigation, saying they no longer trusted the Sanford police department.
Sanford police Sgt. David Morgenstern said the department stands by its investigation but welcomes help from any outside agency. FBI agent David Couvertier said the agency has been in contact with Sanford police and is monitoring the case.
'We are committed to having somebody review this to see if we made a mistake,' said Sanford Mayor Jeff Triplett. 'If we made missteps and there is something there, we will act accordingly'

Trayvon's family believe Zimmerman should be charged and brought to justice for shooting their young son
Several Sanford residents who spoke to The Associated Press said they think there would have been an arrest already if the shooter had been black and the deceased had been white.
They said blacks and whites in this city of 53,000 residents were pretty much in agreement that an injustice had been done with no one arrested, and that there was no racial divide in how the case is being perceived. The city is 57 percent white and 30 percent black.
Zimmerman's father delivered a letter to the Orlando Sentinel on Thursday, saying the way his son is being depicted in the media is cruel and misleading.
He also says his son has received death threats and moved out of his home. George Zimmerman is Hispanic and grew up in a multiracial family, the statement says.

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CheerfulYank · 14/07/2013 12:48

Jaffa he wasn't thirteen in those pictures. Snopes link again.

chocolatespiders · 14/07/2013 12:48

Casey Anthony killed her kid = Not Guilty

George Zimmerman kills a teenager= Not Guilty

Michael Vick killed a dog= GUILTY #WakeTheFuckUp!

SpecialAgentTattooedQueen · 14/07/2013 12:52

Are you telling me you actually believe that Creighton saying there is no point in talking to white people and that they will "turn on you" is not racist?

Well Creighton and I are PMing right now and she's more than aware I'm white and she's been perfectly lovely so... No, I don't believe she thinks I'm racist.

ecclesvet · 14/07/2013 12:53

The prosecution couldn't prove Casey Anthony killed her kid = Not Guilty

The prosecution couldn't prove George Zimmerman kills a teenager= Not Guilty

The prosecution could prove Michael Vick killed a dog= GUILTY

#That'sHowCourtsWork!

CheerfulYank · 14/07/2013 12:54

I'm not saying she believes you're racist.

I'm asking if "there is no point in talking to white people" is a racist statement.

AmberLeaf · 14/07/2013 12:54

Jaffamycake he is refered to by his surname because he was the one on trial, thats pretty usual isn't it? ie the crown vs thompson [not sure how they say it in the US, the state?]

Trayvon is dead, what does it matter how personable he is? again back to the point about Trayvon being on trial!

AmberLeaf · 14/07/2013 12:58

Are you telling me you actually believe that Creighton saying there is no point in talking to white people and that they will "turn on you" is not racist?

I wasn't talking about creighton, I was talking about racism/power.

I don't think creightons statement there was her wisest, but I can understand her frustration completely given some aspects of this thread.

SpecialAgentTattooedQueen · 14/07/2013 12:58

*I'm not saying she believes you're racist.

I'm asking if "there is no point in talking to white people" is a racist statement.*

Fair enough. I guess the closest to explaining how I feel is confusion that if that was meant racially why would she continue PMing me and being lovely IYSWIM?

But this thread isn't about Creighton.

May I ask you if you think the American Government is inherently racist, as you are American? I do. I'm curious as to what Americans think, even if they love their country. (Not meaning to single you out, just see you are American! [smile)

JaffaMyCake · 14/07/2013 13:02

Amber yes it is usual, but then I also think travyon Martin shou,d be referred to by his surname. It matters because its adding to the media hype and encouraging people to think of "poor Trayvon" instead of encouraging a balanced view.

SpecialAgentTattooedQueen · 14/07/2013 13:02

Some of the posts about Trayvons teeth/Hoodie/background remind me awfully of the arguments of

'Well yeah, I raped her but...'

She was poor/a slut/just check her criminal record...

I see way too many uncomfortable 'coincidences' between how minorities and how women are treated in this world. Sometimes when dealing with one means dealing with the other, it becomes ignored and festers.

I'm horrified people think Zimmerman deserved off. Just like I am physically disgusted with the subhuman people who think 'Well Casey Anthony's lawyer was too good, so just get over it!

littlemisswise · 14/07/2013 13:03

Jaffa, why did Zimmerman follow him, when he had been told not to? Why did he get out of the car? Do we know who threw the first punch? So do we know if Trayvon was acting in self defence in the first place? Why did he say these fucking arseholes always get away with it? Why was he carrying a gun?

If you saw a large, suspicious looking youth you wouldn't exactly confront them would you?

SpecialAgentTattooedQueen · 14/07/2013 13:04

Jaffa if we genuinely want a balanced view why do we all keep being reminded 'But Martin had a record, so Zimmerman's racist fear was justified,'

... But NO mention of the many previous incidents that show he has a lust for control and violence in his criminal record?

CheerfulYank · 14/07/2013 13:08

Hmmm. Well. I'll have to make this short as I am typing one handed while expressing milk for DD, but that's an interesting question TattooedQueen.

I think the government itself, or the justice system or what have you, are not necessarily inherently racist, but people sometimes are. George Zimmerman probably is.

As far as the jury, it's like Ecclevest said...it needs to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. That's why Zimmerman got off. And Casey Anthony, and OJ Simpson.

littlemisswise · 14/07/2013 13:09

Arrgh, I didn't mean "If you saw a large, suspicious looking youth you wouldn't exactly confront them, would you?"

What I mean is, you wouldn't get out of the car because you'd be afraid they'd be carrying a weapon or be unpredictable in their behaviour, especially as Zimmerman said he thought Trayvon was on drugs. I makes no sense to me as to why he got out of the car, and the "looking for street names" excuse is beyond feeble!

Ashoething · 14/07/2013 13:09

Are you missing the fact that GEORGE Zimmerman is in a minority special-given that he is in fact Hispanic? or at least mixed race? Or is that just not convenient for your argument?

Ashoething · 14/07/2013 13:11

Not many people on this thread have said they believe Zimmerman should have got away scott free special? They have said they didn't believe he should be convicted of murder based on the evidence presented.

AmberLeaf · 14/07/2013 13:12

It matters because its adding to the media hype and encouraging people to think of "poor Trayvon" instead of encouraging a balanced view

Yeah fucking right 'poor Trayvon' hes dead for nothing!

I dont know why we keep being reminded Traycon Martin had a criminal record when he didn't

AmberLeaf · 14/07/2013 13:14

Ashoething but zimmerman could have been convicted of manslaughter dont forget, so if they were unsure on the murder charge they could have gone for manslaughter.

he got away scott free.

SpecialAgentTattooedQueen · 14/07/2013 13:19

*Hmmm. Well. I'll have to make this short as I am typing one handed while expressing milk for DD, but that's an interesting question TattooedQueen.

I think the government itself, or the justice system or what have you, are not necessarily inherently racist, but people sometimes are. George Zimmerman probably is.

As far as the jury, it's like Ecclevest said...it needs to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. That's why Zimmerman got off. And Casey Anthony, and OJ Simpson.*

See, to me this raises of the question of what exactly is reasonable doubt?

Because no one seems to actually believe any of these people were truly innocent, and that even Zimmerman should have at least gotten manslaughter.

It shouldn't be just about who has the best lawyer. To me, that's the sign of an unjust society and worth meriting the question is a government inherently misogynist/racist etc if they allow people to walk free on who was the most persuasive rather than evidence. Because as @Ashoething* says, no one here seems to think he was innocent except for one poster who raised eyebrows with her racist hits about Trayvon's teeth etc.

Obviously you don't know anyone in the government (as far as I know, anyway!) May I ask what was the average American -Like yourself- Reaction to the trial? Like, did it lean towards one side, or was it a marginal split in who the average person thought was guilty? I don't assume you to know the average American's reaction to the verdict so soon, obviously! Wink

Does anything of what I've clumsily written make sense?

BTW last thread I saw, you were pregnant with DD. Congratulations!! Smile

KateSMumsnet · 14/07/2013 13:23

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CheerfulYank · 14/07/2013 13:29

Thank you :)

Everyone I know well believed that Zimmerman was guilty of at least manslaughter. A few people on FB didn't.

I am shocked that he was found innocent of all charges and I expect most Americans will be.

I've read that the jury asked for a clarification

CheerfulYank · 14/07/2013 13:31

Argh, stupid phone.

A clarification on the manslaughter charge and the judge didn't give one?

MrsDeVere · 14/07/2013 13:31

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OldMacEIEIO · 14/07/2013 13:32

I particularly like the skittles defence. Carry skittles and it becomes impossible to hurt anyone or burgle a house. oh yes

Justfornowitwilldo · 14/07/2013 13:35

It's totally incomprehensible to me. A 17 year old with sweets and a drink walking to his father's girlfriend's house. An adult male with a gun. A teenager shot dead. And they find the man not guilty???

America shares a language with us but it's a different world.