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Where is the fucking justice for Trayvon Martin? a 17 year old INNOCENT CHILD shot to death simply because he was walking in his father's gated community.

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chewchewmeaw · 17/03/2012 19:10

Why in gods hell has that MURDERER not been arrested?

Are they looking for riots? they will happen if Zimmerman is not brought to justice. I am so sickened by this.

I wouldn't be surprised if you haven't heard this story yet - very slow in reporting it.

He was begging for his life': Family's anger as police finally play 911 calls made by neighborhood watch captain who shot black teen

Trayvon Martin,17, was shot dead by George Zimmerman, 28, last month, who claims the killing was self defense and has not been charged
Police finally gave into mounting pressure on Friday and released eight 911 calls
The teen's family say the calls show Zimmerman was the 'aggressor' not Trayvon

The police have finally released the 911 calls made in relation to the killing of an unarmed black teenager who was shot by a white neighborhood watch captain.

George Zimmerman, 28, had called 911 to report a suspicious man and can be heard pursuing Trayvon Martin, 17, on foot against the dispatcher's advice causing the teen to run away.
Moments later the police are bombarded with calls from terrified neighbors as a voice in the background can be heard desperately screaming for help before the sound of two gun shots.
When police arrived at Florida's Retreat at Twin Lakes Townhomes they found Trayvon, who had been returning from a store with candy for his younger brother, had been shot dead by Zimmerman.
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Trayvon Martin, 17, left, was killed by George Zimmerman, 28, right, after the neighborhood watch captain pursued him as walked in a gated community

Zimmerman had called 911 after spotting the teen walking through the gated community.
'This guy looks like he is up to no good. He is on drugs or something,' Zimmerman told the dispatcher from his SUV.
He added that the black teen had his hand in his waistband and was walking around looking at homes.

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'These a---. They always get away,' Zimmerman said on a 911 call.
During Zimmerman's initial call, he told the dispatcher he was following Martin and the dispatcher told him, 'You don't need to do that.'
But Zimmerman sounds as if he continues to pursue the teen saying: 'He ran.'
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In Zimmerman's 911 call he said Martin, pictured, looked like he 'up to no good' and on drugs as the teen returned home with skittles for his brother
He then refuses to meet police officers at an agreed location and asks for them to call him on arrival instead so he can tell them where he is.
Sanford police officials, who have not charged Zimmerman after accepting his claim that his actions were in self defense, finally released eight 911 calls on Friday after mounting pressure.
Martin's family had demanded the release of the calls to help better understand how Martin died while walking home from a convenience store last month.
'He was yelling for help, and no one could help him. He saw his life being taken away from him,' the teen's father Tracy Martin said.
He said they will continue pushing for charges to be filed against Zimmerman.
'We?re hoping this doesn?t happen again to another family, and that America opens their eyes ... even though this won?t bring Trayvon back,
we don?t want there to be another Trayvon,' Mr Martin said.
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The teenager's parents; mother Sabrina Fulton, right, and father Tracy Martin, left, are said to be devastated after hearing the 911 calls of their son's last moments

Benjamin Crump, the attorney for Martin's family, said that the 911 calls show that the teenager spent the last few moments of his life terrified and Zimmerman should be charged
After listening to recordings of 911 calls, Martin's family said they're more convinced than ever that the Zimmerman should be charged with a crime.
'You hear a shot, a clear shot, then you hear a 17-year-old boy begging for his life,' said Natalie Jackson, the family attorney. 'Then you hear a second shot.'
The case has been turned over to the State Attorney's Office which can decide whether to file charges or present evidence to a grand jury.
Attorney Benjamin Crump, who is also representing the family, told reporters outside Sanford City Hall that Martin's parents both broke down and cried as they listened to the recordings.
'They are completely devastated, and they are in unbelievable grief,' Crump said. 'The last seconds of his life were in absolute fear.'
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Martin was visiting his father and stepmother in Sanford where they live at The Retreat at Twin Lakes, pictured, when he popped out to buy snacks for his younger brother
He added that a third witness has come forward saying it was the boy who was crying for help.
Martin's parents, Tracy Martin and Sybrina Fulton, previously sued to have the recordings released. A hearing for the case had been scheduled for Monday.
Moments after Zimmerman's initial call, dispatchers were bombarded by seven 911 calls from frantic neighbors describing a fight between two men, screaming and then a gunshot.
'There is somebody screaming outside,' one female caller said, as an unknown male voice can be heard crying in the background. Then a shot is heard.
A male caller described a physical altercation between Martin and the shooter.
'I just heard a shot right behind my house,' The caller said. 'They're wrestling right behind my porch. The guy is yelling 'Help.' I'm not going outside.'

By the time police officers arrived, unarmed Trayvon, who had been carrying Skittles and soda, was dead on the ground from a single gunshot
Another woman said a man in a 'white top' was on top Trayvon.
Earlier on Friday, Martin's parents called on the FBI to take over the investigation, saying they no longer trusted the Sanford police department.
Sanford police Sgt. David Morgenstern said the department stands by its investigation but welcomes help from any outside agency. FBI agent David Couvertier said the agency has been in contact with Sanford police and is monitoring the case.
'We are committed to having somebody review this to see if we made a mistake,' said Sanford Mayor Jeff Triplett. 'If we made missteps and there is something there, we will act accordingly'

Trayvon's family believe Zimmerman should be charged and brought to justice for shooting their young son
Several Sanford residents who spoke to The Associated Press said they think there would have been an arrest already if the shooter had been black and the deceased had been white.
They said blacks and whites in this city of 53,000 residents were pretty much in agreement that an injustice had been done with no one arrested, and that there was no racial divide in how the case is being perceived. The city is 57 percent white and 30 percent black.
Zimmerman's father delivered a letter to the Orlando Sentinel on Thursday, saying the way his son is being depicted in the media is cruel and misleading.
He also says his son has received death threats and moved out of his home. George Zimmerman is Hispanic and grew up in a multiracial family, the statement says.

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AmberLeaf · 14/07/2013 12:27

you think racism can't be racism unless the so-called racist is from a race in a position of power? Really?

Yes really.

ThePowerof3 · 14/07/2013 12:27

Im just so glad we have different gun laws here

CheerfulYank · 14/07/2013 12:27

Yes, what Tanith said. Link

creighton · 14/07/2013 12:28

cheerfulyank, who is being disingenuous now? all racists start out as 'cute' babies of 6 weeks old and then reach 7 and then reach their full racist glory.

tidydancer, i am speaking from experience, mine and that of other black friends.

CheerfulYank · 14/07/2013 12:28

That isn't the definition of racism, though, Amber.

ThePowerof3 · 14/07/2013 12:29

Racism can be racism even if you are in the minority, if a white person is killed by a non white for race reasons then I don't see how that could possibly not be considered racist, as I said in this case the person with the power is the one holding the gun

Alisvolatpropiis · 14/07/2013 12:30

Cheerful

Dictionary definition that may be but in reality - those in a position of power are the most racist,historically speaking.

Who was in the position of power when black Africans were exploited and forcibly removed from their homes to be slaves? Who was in the position of power when there was legal segregation between white and black people? Who is in the position of power when it comes to socio economic and educational standing today?

Power = a form of superiority. An enforced one.

I find it hard to see how a black person can be racist when the answer to all of the above is white people.

There is a reason the term white privilege exists. There is a reason black people feel oppressed today.

CheerfulYank · 14/07/2013 12:31

Creighton I was raised to get to know people before deciding anything about them. I will do the same with my children, so I doubt that they will ever "reach full racist glory".

TidyDancer · 14/07/2013 12:31

CheerfulYank - I think oppression is meant, not racism. Or at least something like that.

Ashoething · 14/07/2013 12:32

I have reported you Creighton for being deliberately inflammatory and trying to start a bunfight. I shall not engage with your comments any further on this thread.

AmberLeaf · 14/07/2013 12:33

Likewise, a couple of the photos claiming to be an older (and bigger, more "scary") Trayvon Martin were not of him at all

Yes, one of the 'bigger scarier' 'Trayvons' was in fact this man who is a 33 year old rapper known as 'The Game'

CheerfulYank · 14/07/2013 12:34

I'm certainly not debating that there is the element of power in any of your examples, Ali. But I don't understand how you find it hard to see how a black person can be racist. Of course they can! If someone believes that a person will behave in a certain way because of the color of their skin, that someone is racist.

Ashoething · 14/07/2013 12:35

It wasn't only white people who forcibly removed and enslaved black Africans alisvolat though.

CheerfulYank · 14/07/2013 12:35

Yes Amber as well as an entirely different person named Trayvon. I posted the Snopes link above. Fucking ridiculous.

My heart is breaking for his family.

AmberLeaf · 14/07/2013 12:35

That isn't the definition of racism, though, Amber

According to who?

...and what Alisvolatpropiis said.

AmberLeaf · 14/07/2013 12:36

Cheerfulyank, I think the point is, what impact can a black persons 'racism' have?

SpecialAgentTattooedQueen · 14/07/2013 12:36

The American federal government clearly has inherent racism, if not out-and-out. I don't think that can be disputed?

That is then poured onto the media, that control most of the public.

Therefore, I think it's a decent assumption to assume that most Americans may be inherently racist if I don't know them. That's how I protect my family. (Not that I'd EVER grace that truly fucked up country with my beautiful shoe prints!)

I don't think it's wrong of Creighton to point that out, even though it's a huge taboo and she didn't necessarily word it properly. It's true. America is a inherently racist country from their media alone. Their celeb mags get as puffed up with outrage about poor boys like Trayvon Martin, and in the next issue will have Nicki Minaj and how she's 'so gangsta' in the next issue. Really doubt as annoying as she is that she's in a gang but whatever
This case hits way to close to home for a lot of us. Who likes to think if their kid defends themselves, they can then be murdered and that falls under the other person's self defence because even they stalked and terrified them, hey, they didn't panic and attack first right? Clearly he deserved a shot in the head... Hmm

I feel unsafe for my DC when I hear people saying this was clearly logical of Zimmerman.

No. Best case scenario in my mind is the wannabe cop was so desperate to play cop he saw a 'dodgy' looking kid and chased him.

In my best case scenario Trayvon was 'dodgy' looking because he was black. :(

CheerfulYank · 14/07/2013 12:37

According to the dictionary.

Are you telling me you actually believe that Creighton saying there is no point in talking to white people and that they will "turn on you" is not racist?

BabyMakesMyEyesGoSleepy · 14/07/2013 12:41

So if I said there's not point in talking to black people (not some or a few) because they will turn on you,then that's OK.

Hmm
Alisvolatpropiis · 14/07/2013 12:41

Ashoething

No. But it doesn't make it any less true that they did on a massive scale. It doesn't make it any better that others did does it?

TidyDancer · 14/07/2013 12:43

I said this up thread, but I do believe there was a prejudice in this case, but it wasn't racist. I believe George Zimmerman saw a teenager in a hoodie and assumed he was trouble. I don't think this is anything to do with the colour of his skin.

This thread has shown a hell of a lot about the wider attitude though.

Ashoething · 14/07/2013 12:43

No it certainly doesn't. I was merely pointing out a fact.

JaffaMyCake · 14/07/2013 12:44

Firstly, can I just say that the gross generalisations on here make me sick. You cannot classify an entire race as racist based on the opinions and actions of a minority.

The fact that Zimmerman wasn't immediately arrested and investigated is an appalling failing on the part of the police, nobody should just take anybody's word about something being "self defence".

I don't think Zimmerman is guilty of murder, refer eccles post above for reasons why and also the link posted a few pages back.

What I think happened is that Zimmerman saw someone he didn't recognise in the neighbourhood and after a spate of recent burglaries in the area was anxious and tried to follow the man to see what he was up to. From what I can gather it was Martin who confronted Zimmerman, the evidence points towards the fact that he was beating Zimmerman when he was shot. Thinking about it from zimmermans point of view, had a large, hooded youth been standing over me hitting my head off the pavement (as suggested by injuries) would I have been in fear for my life? The answer is probably yes, I'd have said the same if the boy was white. And for those saying he could have shot him in the leg, that is frankly a bloody ridiculous thing to say, if you are in fear for your life you panic and do as much as possible to get the attacker off you, it may have been logistically impossible for him to shoot Martin in the leg.

The media have done a pretty good job of whipping up an absolute storm, has anyone noticed how the defendent is referred to as Zimmerman whilst the victim is referred to as Trayvon. Also a lot of the photos that have been used are of Martin as a thirteen year old. The media have done a pretty good job of painting Martin as some sort of racist, martyr victim and making out like this is some sort of stand for white power.

Zimmerman was Hispanic, as far as I'm aware, Hispanics aren't greatly thought of either in Florida.

CheerfulYank · 14/07/2013 12:46

I think it's entirely possible that George Zimmerman IS racist.

But that doesn't mean all Americans, or all white people (of which Zimmerman is not one) are.

JaffaMyCake · 14/07/2013 12:47

In fact that point I made really fucks me off Angry. Why does nobody refer to Zimmerman as George? It's making Trayvon Martin out to be more personable and I don't think it is doing anything to help the situation.

Using first names creates more empathy, we don't need bias in this instance.