To think you should be able to sue your mum if you weren't breastfed

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and have suffered health consequences that could have been prevented by breastfeeding?

I don't actually think your right about it. Where is your evidence that giving babies formula kills them??

According to FSIDS, the Royal College of Midwives, the Royal College of Paediatricians and the NHS a lack of breastfeeding IS implicated in some deaths from SIDS and from NEC in preterm babies.

Do you feel their opinion on this issue is untrustworthy?

I doubt "formula feeding" has been cited as a cause of death on any death certificate issued.

That doesn't mean that breast milk is not the natural choice of food for a baby human being.

However, to suggest that babies will die because their parents (yes that's right they have two parents it's not just all about the mother) decided, perhaps out of necessity, to give their baby an alternative foodstuff that has met approved standards in this country, is putting that child's life at risk is absolutely ridiculous.

LST - look at the FSIDS website. Bottle feeding is associated with higher rates of SIDS, even when other factors such as social class, gestation and smoking are controlled for.

Breastfeeding also helps prevent NEC in preterm babies, and NEC can be a killer.

I went to a talk a couple of years ago by a neonatal consultant from St George's in London where he spoke about how he encourages parent to view their milk as important medicine for their preterm babies and not just food. It really can make a difference between life and death for early babies. More so than for full term healthy babies. I think it's an absolute scandal that more mums of early and sick babies in the uk aren't assured of immediate skilled help to give their milk to they children.

Could it not be more to do with tha fact that BF babies wake more overnight, and so the deep, deep sleep associated with SIDS is rare? FFers (generally, not always) sleep in longer chunks and therefore must spend more time in deep sleep?

I'm not sure, just suggesting.

No - it's an association. You cannot prove causality with most things, including smoking in pregnancy which is strongly associated with higher rates of stillbirth and SIDS.

And of course you would never say anything to a bereaved mother about what role if any her choices (such as not breastfeeding, smoking in pregnancy, co-sleeping, putting baby to sleep in their own room) might have played in her child's death. Partly because it would be hideously cruel, and partly because you can't prove causality.

However, if the mum went on to have another baby it would be highly immoral not to inform her of everything she could do to keep her next baby as safe as possible, according to current best evidence: breastfeed, don't smoke while pregnant or around you baby, be very careful about how you co-sleep and take precautions not to overheat your baby, and have baby to sleep in your room for first 6 months).

So... In my personal situation and medical background

I can either have...
Anxiety, panic attacks and depression when I bf...

Or if my baby dies of SIDS it will be my own fault

Nice

Ff is not arsenic and I hate these judgey and horrible threads that as so narrow minded and cruel

You've just completely contradicted yourself. Therefore I take my leave from this ridiculous thread.

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So, should a woman who will never be able to breastfeed for medical reasons be advised that she should remain childless?

It would surely be highly immoral not to warn her that she could be responsible for the cot death of any infant she might choose to have.

And if I had lost a baby to SIDS, if anyone thought best to 'advise me' on how to prevent the death of my next baby by bf Shagmund,

They would be physically assaulted.

Kayano - are you saying that in a pregnancy following a SIDS death health professionals SHOULN'T make sure that the parents know what they can do to keep the next baby as safe as possible?

'if my baby dies of SIDS it'll be my own fault'

Sometimes parental choices will be implicated in a child's death.

But it's almost impossible to prove causality.

All health professionals can do is make sure we have enough information about our choices, and all we can do as parents is make the best choices we can at the time - sometimes the optimal simply isn't possible for us within the context of our family lives. I know I've made choices for my children that I regret or wish could have been different (particularly now in relation to their education). I did the best I could at the time, as parents generally do and as I'm sure you have done Kayano.

I am so disgusted by this thread.

Any idea what it is like to lose a child? Can you imagine the guilt anyway?

But to imply that its a mothers fault because she formula fed. If a mother who has lost their child to SIDS reads all this, can you imagine how she will feel?

I cannot believe someone can be so nasty.

Wow! You need to get a hobby.

Absolutely agree wit u Gin30 imagine if someone who has lost a child has read this?

Good job judgey knobishness isnt a factor in sids.

Id rather have a child raised by a balanced kind individual who was ff than one who was breastfed by such a poisonous individual.

ariel I think they are one and the same!!

Shagmund has it not occurred to you that whilst you say you would never say that to a bereaved mother, you might actually be doing so here? Not everyone is open about their losses.

I agree that bf is the best thing. But sometimes a parent can't or won't bf. FF is there for those parents. It is not my job or my place to judge them for their choice. I know how I arrived at my choices and if anyone judges me for them, then I offer you a pair of my shoes.

That's all.

What the fuck is going on with MN at the moment? Endless deliberately inflammatory threads guaranteed to cause upset.

I was wondering that, Ohdo. The influx of wohm vs sahm threads too. It's tiring and all seems designed to perpetuate the idea that women basically hate each other and will attack at the least provocation.

Everyone chill out; Wales are going to win the rugby this afternoon, whether they've been breastfed or not.

Everyone chill out; Wales are going to win the rugby this afternoon, whether they've been breastfed or not.

That is I think, the best thing I have ever read on MN . Cheers, Astronaut. Actually I would bet an awful lot of money that most of those fine, strapping, muscular, fit young men were not BF.

great points button moon