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to think that everyone should be forced to see homosexuals as equal......

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PosiePumblechook · 11/03/2012 09:51

In every discussion regarding gay marriage, or marriage as I like to call it, there seems to be this crazy insistence that the church/mosque/Synagogue won't be forced to perform gay marriages.... It's still okay for them to condemn it too.

Why are people, some of which are not homophobic, still following a God that, at best, is homophobic?

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Snorbs · 12/03/2012 13:56

AFAIK man doesn't have the power to change what God thinks just because it happens not to be fashionable.

On that basis we should still be keeping slaves, stoning adulterers and not wearing clothes made of mixed fabrics.

swallowedAfly · 12/03/2012 14:34

jesus was alright imo - that some 'churches' can claim to be followers of him is unbelievable imo. it always make me think about that scripture where come the rapture there are all these 'christians' who he doesn't recognise moaning and wailing about how they called out demons in his name ra ra ra. if jesus was real i reckon there'd be a hell of a lot of shocked people around when they saw who he recognised as his people and who he didn't.

what would happen if your child was gay - would they just get turfed out of the church or out of your home as well? if you didn't turf them out of your home would you have to leave the church? if they were 15 and knew they were gay would they be turfed out or treated as a minor still under the spiritual covering of their parents? curious as to how such things pan out.

BearlyThere · 12/03/2012 19:34

Codandchops isn't cod.

Fwiw.
;)

Codandchops · 12/03/2012 21:09

Whoops no it's not cod - I wanted "codandchips" as I was enjoying them at the time but it wouldn't let me so someone else must have that - hence codandchops.

Must admit I forgot about cod when reregistering here but happy to clarify I am not she Grin

edam · 12/03/2012 22:19

AKMD - if you are a Christian, you should follow the teachings of Jesus Christ. And as far as I recall, what he had to say about sexual morality was 'let he who is without sin cast the first stone'. That's it.

He also made rather a point of hanging out with the marginalised and oppressed - women, lepers, prostitutes - not the Pharisees and other pious types.

Funny how some people who claim to worship His name conveniently forget what the Son of God actually did and said, isn't it

Codandchops · 13/03/2012 07:12

As a Christian I return every time to the question "What would Jesus do"? In most cases we don't know and can only use the Bible as a reference point by looking at what Jesus said and did. We also have to bear in mind that the books of the Bible were written during times when societies themselves saw some things as unacceptable. The Bible is a reference point but was written by man who is flawed.
I think it is safe to say that Jesus would have welcomed everyone unconditionally. He would have blessed any marriage and love. We don't know what he would have said about gay marriage as marriage is a human construct and has altered down the centuries. My gut feeling though is that Jesus would have accepted and welcomed everyone without discrimination.

Speaking with my priest friend last night I asked about the letter which they had read out on Sunday. He said that he thought it wasn't good and that the other priest had also thought it dreadful. The newsletter referred to it but pointed out that Jesus was all about love and live was pure no matter who it was between. It's because of decent clergy like the two here that I can feel being Catholic is not horrendous and that change can come from within.

seeker · 13/03/2012 11:33

Well, I do think that it's strange that the Church is taking so very seriously something that Jesus didn't even mention.

However, the fact that Jesus didn't mention it seems to me to suggest that he agreed with the prevailing view at the time and in the area he lived- which was, I am fairly sure, a pretty tough Old Testament line.

musicismylife · 13/03/2012 11:52

'YANBU people should be forced. And they should be forced not to be racist, sexist or basically twats. Not sure how you actually achieve this though. If you find out pm me as I would love to be able to force some of my family to change their views.'

Lesley33: You cannot force someone to not be racist, sexist or a twat. You can put laws in place, that will more than likely stop someone acting that way. But they will always be that way.

mayorquimby · 13/03/2012 11:59

As is their right. There are laws in place to try and ensure as much as possible that people who think this way are not able to infringe on others rights with their actions, but they have every right to see whoever they like as a lesser being no matter how disgusting you or I may find their opinions.

lesley33 · 13/03/2012 15:18

music - I know that. Sorry it was a bit of a tongue in cheek post. Some of my relatives views just really annoy me. But of course they have the right to those views.....I guess

Codandchops · 13/03/2012 18:58

I think the Bible is full of stuff showing that Jesus often did NOT agree with the views of the time Seeker. I think more likely is that not all that he did or said made it in to the Gospels.

Jesus would not have discriminated or condemned - shame our church leaders don't remember this more often.

Gatouttahell · 05/03/2019 21:19

Fuck yes.

Warpdrive · 05/03/2019 22:12

I'm a Christian. I think it's obvious and consistent throughout the bible (old and new) that the God of the bible considers homosexual activity as sinful. Obviously if you aren't a Christian you may not even agree that sin exists in which case it won't make sense to you. Sin is a particularly Christian concept and is often misunderstood outside the church.

To be clear, God also considers many other things as sinful too. We know that sin separates man from God. Fortunately He has provided a way back to having a relationship with Him through the cross.

So while we are taught not to condemn people for being sinners (after all, we are all sinners), it wouldn't be appropriate to celebrate any sinful activity in church. Jesus never turned anyone away from Him, but He did tell the woman caught in adultery 'Go and sin no more.' So for those who think He would blithely accept gay marriage, I think yes he wouldn't turn anyone away from him if they wanted to know God, but his instruction would be to turn away from sin. So No, He wouldn't be in favour of His church blessing it.

Mildura · 05/03/2019 22:16

Holy thread resurrection Batman!

Warpdrive · 05/03/2019 22:25

Grin hilarious. I didnt even realise...

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