to NOT want a cleaner?

[OrkaLiely]

it seems to be very common on MN; paying another person to clean your house. Why can't the adults in the house do it between them? And once the kids are old enough to hold a duste,r teach them to help out as well.

I'd hate someone else in our house cleaning up our mess. It sends a bad message to children too. And no-one in this age of dishwashers, washing machines, vacuum cleaners is too busy to do it themselves.

So us that work and don't have a cleaner are slaves to the kitchen are we?

But everlong why should you have to justify it? It is no-one's business but yours and DH's.

If you want a cleaner and can afford it then have one.

I really cannot understand the angst.

What a load of bollocks .

I couldn't have one as I'd feel like I should clean up before she/he came! Guess it would be one way to motivate me though.

No, blushingcrow. No one said that.
The op said there was no excuse for having a cleaner. People are arguing against that incredibly dumb assertion.

Having not had time to read whole thread, I would say, so you're assuming that cleaners feel demeaned by housework? Why is being paid for doing a good job demeaning?

I would love to afford to pay a cleaner. I am rubbish at cleaning, and I'd rather be out and about with the family. Tidying, and the day to day stuff gets done automatically.

As soon as I'm back at work I will be seriously looking into it.

Life is too short to spend it hovering under beds

I don't care if people have cleaners, but having read things on this thread like 'its odd to work and not have a cleaner' 'I have a cleaner so I can spend quality time with my children' People should aspire to work harder to be able to afford a cleaner'

I think MN is definitely not the place for me.

We have a cleaner, I am A sahm and all my kids are at school/nursery ! We can afford it, she is much better than me and frees up a lot of time for me to do voluntary work and causes less arguments!

but blushing crow, those people didn't start the thread saying those things. Those were reasons why they have a cleaner. You may not agree with those reasons but they are what they are.

I think you are reading what you want to there Blushingcrow.

I don't believe that. I don't think many do believe that. You are seeing an opinion that I don't see here.

I have worked as a cleaner, worked and not had a cleaner, not worked and had a cleaner and not worked and had a cleaner.
Each one was right for my circumstances at that time. People should do what suits them. Other people should mind their own business.

One of those should be not worked and not had a cleaner. I think that is a full house.

I think you are reading what you want to there Blushingcrow i completely agree.

why is having a cleaner so controversial? i am cannot think of anything that costs says say £20 per week, doesnt affect anyone else & provides employment being so controversial?

blushingcrow - MN is full of a whole range of women (and men) from different backgrounds and with different opinions. Why on earth would you leave beacuse a couple of people have a different view to you? I'm baffled. And why is it such a big deal to you that some people aspire to being able to pay someone else to clean their houses? Not everyone enjoys or is good at housework.

I don't have a cleaner. But if I could afford one, I would definitely employ one. And a cook (I hate cooking too). And a masseur.

But I am poor so can't afford any of those things sadly. Doesn't make me leave MN. There are loads of different backgrounds on here, no matter what the press would have you believe.

I haven't bothered reading the thread but I'd just like to say:

If all of did for ourselves everything we were physically and mentally capable of doing for ourselves with a bit of effort and a bit of know-how, (cleaning, decorating, window cleaning) or just stopped availing ourselves of non-essential services that made life a bit easier and a bit more pleasant (think taxis, restaurants, pedicures etc) then I truly dread to think how many people in this country (or the world) would face permanent unemployment.

If all of us did for ourselves

blushingcrow you are overthinking this. We don't all have to live our lives in the same way.

YANBU. If you don't want a cleaner, don't have one. You sound a bit jealous of those who do have one tbh.
I have children with special needs and I am a lone parent. I am not superwoman so my cleaner is one of my financial priorities. I even had a cleaner when I was claiming income support. I just budgeted to include it.

I have been banging on on this thread I know, I'm sorry.

But women get themselves in such a lather about the idea that this area, the housework, reflects uniquely upon them. Are they a good parent, good woman, doing their duty, earning their keep - why do we feel idle and like shirkers if we get this one thing done by someone else. You can order a pizza, shop on line, pay a gardener and it's fine. You can go into a shop on the High Street and pay someone to file the dead skin off your feet and paint your toe nails. You can get your pubic hair waxed and your bum crack tweezered - all perfectly legitimate
Pay someone to make your bed and you are a terrible idle person exploiting others.

It's like this one shadow of 50s housewife, homemaker, nurturer - this still holds. It only takes a brief glance at the relationships thread to show that only women are fretting about this. We are doing most of the work whilst snarling at the few who chose not to. It is very odd

I think if you enjoy it then do it. If you get satisfaction from doing it, ditto.

I love ironing, love it. I like seeing everything looking beautiful on hangers and in the cupboards. I would never get someone to do that for me