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Is my nanny doing too much

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Mposh · 01/03/2012 12:26

Sorry for such a tediously long post.

Our nanny has been with us for 4 months now. I originally advertised for a nanny/housekeeper. When she started she was doing so great over and above expectations, we gave her a very good bonus for xmas as well as some lovely xmas gifts as she spent xmas away from her family.

Over and above looking after DS1 who is 4 goes to nursery till 15h30, there is DS2 who just turned 2. I am also 8 months preggers. So we advertised for someone to look after 3 kids just so they are well prepared. We have a cleaner coming in once a week for about 4hrs.

The housekeeping duties for the nanny include :

  • Making the kids beds and tidying room
  • Folding kids laundry (I put it in myself, as they may not read washing instructions). Whatever needs ironing, the cleaner will do.
  • Tidy up after kids
  • Bath kids
  • Cook simple dishes, if I don't. and supervise eating
  • Put up blackout blinds in kids room
  • Emptying the dishwasher (somehow, I hate this job myself, and always delegated it, previous AP did not mind as she never cooked, but ate and felt she could do this)
  • Take out bin when full.

She did almost all this at the beginning and told me she was a good cook and offered to cook a few meals for us - which we told her were excellent. Though I cook most of the time, as I appreciated this to be an extra for her - though I did mention cooking in advert and JD. She no longer cooks. Always puts chips and nuggets in the oven cause the kids are refusing to eat veggies, even though I told her to put cheese, ketchup etc. in it just to get it down them. The other day I asked her to boil rice and make a pork for me as I had to urgently go to hospital with pregnancy issues ( and hit and run, another long story - it's not my month), and would not be able to cook. It was 16h00, but she said she did not want to burn the food as she has to look after DC at the same time and may burn the food - this was for her to cook for DC as well. Then yesterday she said she does not like cooking since she moved out of her parents house. WTF? She was cooking fine for the last 3 months, as she would give DC a task and cook while looking at them from the kitchen. I also have always been able to do the same. But I decided not to push this, as I would rather she looks after DC first.

For the past month she :

  • Goes to the gym in the morning and comes back around 8h05. I had told her DS1 has to be up by 8 in order to prepare for school. Nowadays both kids get up at 7h00. So by the time she comes back from gym, the kids are dressed and eaten. She then leisurely takes a shower and takes DS1 to school. According to the JD, the job hours start at 7h30, even though DC were waking up later, but I said she may empty dishwasher at this time and make them breakfast, so it's ready when they do wake up. If she is fast, she could shower at this time and have breakfast her self. Our previous AP did that, or showered at night. She insists on gym in mornings rather than evening cause she says it gives her energy.
  • Does not empty the dishwasher. But she has all the time between the 8h05 and 8h45 when DS goes to school. She then takes DS2 to babygroup/park/play directly, even though they start at 10h00/10h30 mostly, and have no real entrance time. To me she is avoiding the dishes so I have to take them out. She is not forgetting, cause she will put dishes in the sink when dw is full, even though I told her I hate a sink full of dishes like a student digs.
  • She does not take out the children laundry and fold it. I have been helping her with this since the beginning, but now she leaves it completely.
  • Does not make the childrens bed and take down blackout blinds. I have always helped with this too, but made it clear it's because she is getting used to kids routine.
  • Does not tidy up after kids. Puzzles are all over the house as we speak. Also does not wipe after kids eat, so their table is always grotty. Also I clean up after bath, always have and did not mind.

While I was happy to help here and there, her heart is just not in it at the moment. I find her also very forgetful and does not listen to my instructions. Told her to always take her phone, oystercard and some cash with everytime she goes out as I may need to contact her, she may need to hurry home and take a bus (we buy her monthly buspass), or need to enter somewhere needing cash - which she takes from the kitty money. She always forgets these things -even though one of the presents for xmas was a handy small wallet to fit all this. A few days even forgetting the keys and had to get security to open. She then leaves lots of glasses and dishes all over the house, as she could not be arsed about taking away after drinking or eating. Other day DS2 unrolled toilet roll on the floor of bathroom, she could not even pick it up and put it next to the sink where there is lots of space.
At interview I said I was anal about keeping clean - am not really, just tidy, and she assured me she was too. A month in, her room looks like a bomb went off. I asked if she is happy here and with the work and also at home things are ok. She said all is well, and just blamed sloppiness on a cold/headache/ sickness etc. Now the cold season is over, I see no improvement. I wonder if someone advised her to just look after DC, not housework too.
I have already silently fumed and decided that if all she wants is to look after DC, I have to agree. But am upset, cause that was not the job I advertised - I said housekeeping too (which is not too much by my standards, as AP did all this, -but had 1 child to look after) and that is what I am paying for. Also quite annoying as am tired beyond belief with pregnancy, school search etc. at this stage.

Am having a 121 with her on Monday and I expect she will say the work is too much. She is generally a nice girl and gets along famously with DC, so don't really want to let her go. When AP left, friends recommended two girls, to temp with us while we were looking, who each stayed with us for 6 and 3 months respectively, before moving on (they were not real nannies). So don't really want to parade lots of nannies for the DCs.

Am SAHM for now, doing freelance now and again - less now with pregnancy, and always let the AP/ Nanny do as she pleases like an adult and not look over shoulder. Friend warned me that naturally if I am at home, the nanny will just decide to cut off some work for me to do, as it may look like I'm just on the computer all day. My sore back is preventing me from leaving the house all the time to some cafe, also they are not here most of the time anyway, so I get to get on with research then.

If I agree with job descrp. cut, can I then postpone DS2 entry to nursery which was supposed to be next term. I will look after DS3 for the first 8 months or so as he will be too small. I still will want a nanny to help with the other two , what with sleepless nights and all. Was hoping this one was a keeper, so I could look at changing careers, doing courses, but don't think that will happen.

Which battles to fight? and what should I let go?

OP posts:
YonWhaleFish · 01/03/2012 12:31

I'd sack her personally, as she isn't doing her job properly! Sad

HexagonalQueenOfTheSummer · 01/03/2012 12:40

I can't see how you need a nanny when you are a SAHM, personally.

HexagonalQueenOfTheSummer · 01/03/2012 12:41

To be blunt it sounds as though you don't want do to any of the dirty work involving your own children and your home.

theQuibbler · 01/03/2012 12:41

Hmm - I think I'd be terminating the contract rather than adjusting it. I doubt it is going to get better, especially with a newborn thrown into the mix and you need someone supportive and that is prepared to do their job! I know it's tricky and can be a long process hiring someone new, but better that than the stress of an underperforming nanny in the house. When we finally decided enough was enough with our first nanny - the relief was incredible. And we found someone else who was fantastic and stayed with us for the next 2.5 yrs. You shouldn't have to pick any battles at all....

Clytaemnestra · 01/03/2012 12:49

"I can't see how you need a nanny when you are a SAHM, personally. To be blunt it sounds as though you don't want do to any of the dirty work involving your own children and your home."

So? What's that got to do with the question? OP didn't ask what you thought of her life choices.

I've worked for companies when I've thought the MD was a lazy git off on constant jollies, but that didn't mean I just didn't bother do the job I was being paid to do.

YonWhaleFish · 01/03/2012 12:50

Hex it's none of your business if the OP wants a nanny is it? You could have just read and moved on with making a snippy unhelpful judgemental comment Shock

HexagonalQueenOfTheSummer · 01/03/2012 12:51

She didn't ask no, Clytaemnestra, but as she posted on a public forum on which we are all entitled to say what we like, I decided to give my opinion anyway.

Hedgerow7 · 01/03/2012 12:51

Why don't you post on the nanny section? You will get more informed and friendly responses.

During your 121 you will have the job description in front of you which she presumably signed or agreed to? What can she say? If she doesn't agree to get her act together I agree with others above that getting a new AP will be less stressful than living with someone who isn't pulling their weight. Good luck. :)

PenguinArmy · 01/03/2012 12:57

I agree with the idea to repost/move thread in the nanny section as well.

PamPerdbrat · 01/03/2012 13:00

Yep I would also pull her up during the 121 and explain if she doesn't fulfill her terms on the contract she signed, you'll have to let her go. You're the boss. Do you have a set office space btw?

AlpinePony · 01/03/2012 13:09

I think she's taking the piss. :(

I love going to the gym in the morning too, but she can go at 6am, not 7am so it doesn't impede her contracted hours.

Many, many other points of course, but it sounds like she's not doing half the stuff you ask her to. What's the point of you paying her when you're running around supervising anyway?

Mposh · 01/03/2012 13:19

Thanks, everyone, will repost on nanny chat too.

Yes, I did write everything down on a day to day work sheet and job description, which she signed with the contract. I then explained everything on it in details and suggested she keeps looking at the jd, which she took with her around the house at the beginning.
Now she just seems to be half hearted. And as I said, not too keen on letting her go as we like to be stable (cleaner has been with us for over 4yrs), am giving birth end of the month - hopefully not sooner. So now is not a good time to sack someone and start afresh.

A few years ago, I helped my sister with her kids around the same age, and did all this without batting an eye lid, so I guess it came as a surprise that it's all hard or too much.

Hex, It was difficult enough when I had sole charge with 1 child to work while looking after him. Am I supposed to take my laptop to the babygroup / play? Or do I let my kid stay in the house around my ankles while I get on with home work? When I have a newborn, will be up all night with feeds, so when would you suggest I work while looking after 3 kids by myself during the day?

OP posts:
Mposh · 01/03/2012 13:21

I am just also cautious, cause she is human afterall, so don't want to be too harsh.

OP posts:
valiumredhead · 01/03/2012 13:21

Can you ask her to come on here and post her version please? Wink

HolyNoSheDittantBatman · 01/03/2012 13:23

I'd let her go tbh, find someone else

theodorakis · 01/03/2012 13:23

I have a live in housemaid/nanny. She is a big part of the family and we love her. A few things she does drive me a bit crazy but the fact that she fits into our dynamic and is a part of the family outweighs that. It would be awful to feel uncomfortable. For that reason I would replace her, not because she is particularly taking the piss but because it doesn't really sound like she wants to be there or that you are 100% comfortable with her.
One thing though, her room is HER business, I would never, ever go in her room and wouldn't mind whether it was clean or dirty. She is living in someone else's home and that room is all she has. Generally I don't think you are being particularly UR but commenting on her room in unforgiveable.

HexagonalQueenOfTheSummer · 01/03/2012 13:23

Oh shock horror, manage with 3 kids on your own?! Gosh, how on earth could anyone ever do that? Hmm

PenguinArmy · 01/03/2012 13:25

OP ignore Hex you don't have to justify your decision.

Almostfifty · 01/03/2012 13:25

It sounds like you've a teenager living with you that isn't even related.

Get rid, get a new nanny asap and train her up while you're on maternity leave.

I'm sure you can manage for a couple of months by yourself, it's not that hard.

LingDiLong · 01/03/2012 13:25

She said she WORKS you numpty!

YonWhaleFish · 01/03/2012 13:26

hex everyone copes differently. The OP requires a nanny.

HolyNoSheDittantBatman · 01/03/2012 13:28

'Oh shock horror, manage with 3 kids on your own?!

and works!

Do you take your 3 DC's under 5 to work with you hex?

theo is right about her room though OP not really any of your business

theodorakis · 01/03/2012 13:29

and Hex, quite apart from the fact that I work FT, not all of us take to family life like a duck to water and frankly I would much rather ask for help (my company provides her) than be a miserable drudge who feels inadequate.

ViolaCrayola · 01/03/2012 13:31

Agree - OP is more of a WAHM than a SAHM it seems? Thus she needs some help.

I would say her room is not your domain - but everything else is.

OP - I would just sit down and say you all really like her, appreciate what she does etc but you need her to do these jobs (show her list). If she agrees to that, then she must stick to it - maybe within a trial period? If not, then maybe you could compromise on one to two things - or not - up to you.

HexagonalQueenOfTheSummer · 01/03/2012 13:31

The OP said in her post that she is currently a SAHM