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Is my nanny doing too much

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Mposh · 01/03/2012 12:26

Sorry for such a tediously long post.

Our nanny has been with us for 4 months now. I originally advertised for a nanny/housekeeper. When she started she was doing so great over and above expectations, we gave her a very good bonus for xmas as well as some lovely xmas gifts as she spent xmas away from her family.

Over and above looking after DS1 who is 4 goes to nursery till 15h30, there is DS2 who just turned 2. I am also 8 months preggers. So we advertised for someone to look after 3 kids just so they are well prepared. We have a cleaner coming in once a week for about 4hrs.

The housekeeping duties for the nanny include :

  • Making the kids beds and tidying room
  • Folding kids laundry (I put it in myself, as they may not read washing instructions). Whatever needs ironing, the cleaner will do.
  • Tidy up after kids
  • Bath kids
  • Cook simple dishes, if I don't. and supervise eating
  • Put up blackout blinds in kids room
  • Emptying the dishwasher (somehow, I hate this job myself, and always delegated it, previous AP did not mind as she never cooked, but ate and felt she could do this)
  • Take out bin when full.

She did almost all this at the beginning and told me she was a good cook and offered to cook a few meals for us - which we told her were excellent. Though I cook most of the time, as I appreciated this to be an extra for her - though I did mention cooking in advert and JD. She no longer cooks. Always puts chips and nuggets in the oven cause the kids are refusing to eat veggies, even though I told her to put cheese, ketchup etc. in it just to get it down them. The other day I asked her to boil rice and make a pork for me as I had to urgently go to hospital with pregnancy issues ( and hit and run, another long story - it's not my month), and would not be able to cook. It was 16h00, but she said she did not want to burn the food as she has to look after DC at the same time and may burn the food - this was for her to cook for DC as well. Then yesterday she said she does not like cooking since she moved out of her parents house. WTF? She was cooking fine for the last 3 months, as she would give DC a task and cook while looking at them from the kitchen. I also have always been able to do the same. But I decided not to push this, as I would rather she looks after DC first.

For the past month she :

  • Goes to the gym in the morning and comes back around 8h05. I had told her DS1 has to be up by 8 in order to prepare for school. Nowadays both kids get up at 7h00. So by the time she comes back from gym, the kids are dressed and eaten. She then leisurely takes a shower and takes DS1 to school. According to the JD, the job hours start at 7h30, even though DC were waking up later, but I said she may empty dishwasher at this time and make them breakfast, so it's ready when they do wake up. If she is fast, she could shower at this time and have breakfast her self. Our previous AP did that, or showered at night. She insists on gym in mornings rather than evening cause she says it gives her energy.
  • Does not empty the dishwasher. But she has all the time between the 8h05 and 8h45 when DS goes to school. She then takes DS2 to babygroup/park/play directly, even though they start at 10h00/10h30 mostly, and have no real entrance time. To me she is avoiding the dishes so I have to take them out. She is not forgetting, cause she will put dishes in the sink when dw is full, even though I told her I hate a sink full of dishes like a student digs.
  • She does not take out the children laundry and fold it. I have been helping her with this since the beginning, but now she leaves it completely.
  • Does not make the childrens bed and take down blackout blinds. I have always helped with this too, but made it clear it's because she is getting used to kids routine.
  • Does not tidy up after kids. Puzzles are all over the house as we speak. Also does not wipe after kids eat, so their table is always grotty. Also I clean up after bath, always have and did not mind.

While I was happy to help here and there, her heart is just not in it at the moment. I find her also very forgetful and does not listen to my instructions. Told her to always take her phone, oystercard and some cash with everytime she goes out as I may need to contact her, she may need to hurry home and take a bus (we buy her monthly buspass), or need to enter somewhere needing cash - which she takes from the kitty money. She always forgets these things -even though one of the presents for xmas was a handy small wallet to fit all this. A few days even forgetting the keys and had to get security to open. She then leaves lots of glasses and dishes all over the house, as she could not be arsed about taking away after drinking or eating. Other day DS2 unrolled toilet roll on the floor of bathroom, she could not even pick it up and put it next to the sink where there is lots of space.
At interview I said I was anal about keeping clean - am not really, just tidy, and she assured me she was too. A month in, her room looks like a bomb went off. I asked if she is happy here and with the work and also at home things are ok. She said all is well, and just blamed sloppiness on a cold/headache/ sickness etc. Now the cold season is over, I see no improvement. I wonder if someone advised her to just look after DC, not housework too.
I have already silently fumed and decided that if all she wants is to look after DC, I have to agree. But am upset, cause that was not the job I advertised - I said housekeeping too (which is not too much by my standards, as AP did all this, -but had 1 child to look after) and that is what I am paying for. Also quite annoying as am tired beyond belief with pregnancy, school search etc. at this stage.

Am having a 121 with her on Monday and I expect she will say the work is too much. She is generally a nice girl and gets along famously with DC, so don't really want to let her go. When AP left, friends recommended two girls, to temp with us while we were looking, who each stayed with us for 6 and 3 months respectively, before moving on (they were not real nannies). So don't really want to parade lots of nannies for the DCs.

Am SAHM for now, doing freelance now and again - less now with pregnancy, and always let the AP/ Nanny do as she pleases like an adult and not look over shoulder. Friend warned me that naturally if I am at home, the nanny will just decide to cut off some work for me to do, as it may look like I'm just on the computer all day. My sore back is preventing me from leaving the house all the time to some cafe, also they are not here most of the time anyway, so I get to get on with research then.

If I agree with job descrp. cut, can I then postpone DS2 entry to nursery which was supposed to be next term. I will look after DS3 for the first 8 months or so as he will be too small. I still will want a nanny to help with the other two , what with sleepless nights and all. Was hoping this one was a keeper, so I could look at changing careers, doing courses, but don't think that will happen.

Which battles to fight? and what should I let go?

OP posts:
theodorakis · 01/03/2012 13:49

Hex, I do agree that you have the right to express your opinion as much as the Op but in the same way may get flamed. I am not flaming you, God, MN would be boring and ineffective without people challenging and questioning others. It shouldn't be so damn personal.

PenguinArmy · 01/03/2012 13:50

Hex you didn't ask questions on related side matters. You just swept in with judgements.

girlywhirly · 01/03/2012 13:51

A nanny is supposed to do meal preparation and cleaning up afterwards for the DC, and any laundry as required. Definitely tidying up toys and dependent on their ages getting DC to help.

If this woman was working in a nursery, she would have had verbal and written warnings by now for the poor standard of her work, and she is taking a real liberty because she is working for a family. It is not for her to decide what she will or will not do without discussing it with you as her employer, especially as she has done everything previously. Have you considered she might be using drugs, as this slovenly attitude has come on so suddenly?

bettybat · 01/03/2012 13:52

YonWhaleFish

OP said in her post she was a SAHM. Then got defensive about the fact she does work. My only point was it's a bit off to get defensive about misinformation she herself put out.

That is all. Couldn't care less about anything else with regards to her needing a nanny or not.

BoffinMum · 01/03/2012 13:52

The things you are asking her to do are bog standard nanny duties, as any agency would tell you, and she is taking the piss, especially with the kids' washing, and cooking their meals. And as you hired her as a nanny housekeeper then the dishwasher and so on is fair game, and most nanny housekeepers would expect to clean the house as well tbh, or at least most of it.

You are going to have to let her go. She has an attitude problem.

(Ignore silly posts from people who think you only need childcare if you are physically out of the house in paid employment. That has nothing to do with your problem).

YonWhaleFish · 01/03/2012 13:53

YonWhaleFish, oh do stop getting your knickers in a twist! In MHO I cannot see why the OP, from her post, stating she is a SAHM, needs a nanny. That's my opinion. Nowhere did I say "You're not allowed a nanny" or "You are wrong for having a nanny". I'm not prepared to argue over this as I feel you are making a mountain out of a molehill. Accept that other people have different opinions to you and move on smile

Patronising much? Smile

HexagonalQueenOfTheSummer · 01/03/2012 13:53

YonWhaleFish, as I said, I do not wish to argue with you over something so trivial. I really am not bothered how you, or others interpret it tbh. I'm not so sensitive that I'm going to lose any sleep over a few strangers on a forum thinking I'm a bad person for disagreeing with someone's lifestyle choice or for being judgemental about something.

wineandroses · 01/03/2012 13:55

Op, you employ this person to do a job, and she now appears to be taking the piss. Take her through the full job description and all of the issues (such as being available from 7.30, cooking etc) and agree a timescale for improvement. If she isn't in agreement, then give her notice immediately. I know it is bad timing as you're due to give birth soon, but you may find it a huge relief to be rid of this on-going source of stress.

HeadfirstForHalos · 01/03/2012 13:57

I'm a SAHM with 4 dcs and if I could afford a nanny to help I'd leap at the chance Grin

I too think it's sounds from your OP that you have added an extra (teenage) child to the family. I would mention everything in your OP except her room, and give her 8 weeks before a review as another poster mentioned. You're not expecting too much.

theodorakis · 01/03/2012 13:57

This is so silly. Hex has a right to make a statement as much as others (including me) have a right to disagree. Can you imagine what MN would be like if there was not freedom of speech and intelligent discussion? Please don't let this spoil the thread which has been useful and supportive.

garlicbutter · 01/03/2012 13:59

When I was nannying I cooked whatever the parent specified for the children (one had to have BRAINS three times a week - he didn't like 'em any more than I did!) and cleared up all child-related mess, but didn't make their beds. Thinking back, the cleaners must have done that.

I did wash up for the families quite often, but that was more of a favour than a duty as they cooked for me. Could she have the same dishwasher-emptying aversion as you? It's pretty common! How about asking the cleaner to do it?

I was also wondering why you've not offered to have your cleaner help with her room, if she wants. I agree it's not your business but she sounds a bit overwhelmed and, now you've interfered, you may as well try to be constructive about it.

There's no excuse for not starting work at the agreed time. 5 minutes not so bad, but altering the DC's schedule to fit hers is out of order.

Have you actually asked her what's up? You seem to be describing somebody trying to deal with some life problems. You may find this could be a turning point in a good way, if there's an issue you can help with. If it ends up being a bad match and/or wrong career choice, best to end it before DC3 arrives, but things don't sound irretrievable just yet.

I'm sorry to hear about your accident. Hope you get better soon!

headfairy · 01/03/2012 13:59

I have a very wealthy friend, with 5 dcs. Three of them are weekly boarders. She has three nannies.

Each to their own I say, she can afford it.

OP.. I don't think it sounds like you're asking your nanny to do too much. I have been prepared to overlook some of the less desireable traits of our nanny (she eats ridiculous quantities of food and she has let the kids draw all over the walls) and I've brought her up on others (she's let her attention wander and the kids have got in to trouble when she wasn't watching them - nothing major, but I did have to have a chat with her about it). I do think you have to pick your battles.

Her room is her own. It's her choice how she keeps it. When she goes to the gym is also her decision, however you need to clarify her start hours. She needs to be showered and dressed and ready for work at her given start time (breakfast is a different matter; if she's having breakfast with the children that's perfectly acceptible).

I would make sure she knows that while you've been helping her to settle in, she's on her own now as your baby is due so soon. There's no way you should be doing things you're paying her to do. Regardless of what others on here think, if you pay someone to do a job, then they should do it.

ViolaCrayola · 01/03/2012 14:00

BRAINS?! Shock Grin

theodorakis · 01/03/2012 14:01

Viola, you should see the dried fish heads in my fridge!

YonWhaleFish · 01/03/2012 14:03

freedom of speech and intelligent discussion

Hahah didn't even come into it!

Snowsister · 01/03/2012 14:03

A 121 is a good idea.
You can tell her you want to give her some feedback. You are paying her to do a job and you do not feel happy with her work.
Start with what is going well, good relationship with Dc etc. Then tell her what needs to improve. Tell her you will review again in a week. If she doesnt improve then you need to look for someone else.

YonWhaleFish · 01/03/2012 14:06

I'm all for opinions, and discussions.

But what's wrong with opening this thread, which is not about whether a SAHM needs a nanny, but about whether said nanny is taking the piss and what to do, and thinking to yourself, "oh, I don't agree with nannies for SAHM, so I'll not bother posting" close it and move on?

HexagonalQueenOfTheSummer · 01/03/2012 14:06

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qazxc · 01/03/2012 14:07

if she is good with the kids i wouldn't get rid of her, because as you said you don't want a parade of nannies and it is by far the most important aspect. the rest i'm sure you will be able to sort out with amicable chat and compromise. I'd leave her room to herself, it's her private space, shut the door and forget it. Maybe she could go to gym earlier and shower there so that she could be back on time, explain how it throws off the routine. for the rest of it maybe she needs a sit down chat, sometimes people don't realize how much little things in their mind irritate others. I know you are going through a tough time right now being pregnant and all, but i would advise as with everything to pick your battles. if the kids love her and she loves the kids, do the dishwasher or folding clothes matter that much as to get rid of her?

HexagonalQueenOfTheSummer · 01/03/2012 14:08

Because it's a public forum, Yonwhale. Where people are at liberty to write what they like. Why is that so hard for you to comprehend?

YonWhaleFish · 01/03/2012 14:11

Oh shut up YonWhaleFish, why are you taking this all so personally?

I think it might be you taking it all very personally rather than me, given your angry responses to my posts.

If you truly believe we're all at liberty to write what we like...why are you telling me to shut up?

fabwoman · 01/03/2012 14:11

Far too long and not enough paragraphs to read but most of what you have posted job wise is part of normal nanny duties.

HexagonalQueenOfTheSummer · 01/03/2012 14:12

Because you are dredging it up over and over again, YonWhale even though I said I didn't wish to argue with you.

fabwoman · 01/03/2012 14:15

Would you really employ someone to look after your kids who wouldn't/couldn't read washing instructions on laundry?

YonWhaleFish · 01/03/2012 14:16

Because it's a public forum, Yonwhale. Where people are at liberty to write what they like. Why is that so hard for you to comprehend?

So surely this means I can continue to talk about something if I think it's relevant and important and not have you tell me to shut up.