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Is my nanny doing too much

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Mposh · 01/03/2012 12:26

Sorry for such a tediously long post.

Our nanny has been with us for 4 months now. I originally advertised for a nanny/housekeeper. When she started she was doing so great over and above expectations, we gave her a very good bonus for xmas as well as some lovely xmas gifts as she spent xmas away from her family.

Over and above looking after DS1 who is 4 goes to nursery till 15h30, there is DS2 who just turned 2. I am also 8 months preggers. So we advertised for someone to look after 3 kids just so they are well prepared. We have a cleaner coming in once a week for about 4hrs.

The housekeeping duties for the nanny include :

  • Making the kids beds and tidying room
  • Folding kids laundry (I put it in myself, as they may not read washing instructions). Whatever needs ironing, the cleaner will do.
  • Tidy up after kids
  • Bath kids
  • Cook simple dishes, if I don't. and supervise eating
  • Put up blackout blinds in kids room
  • Emptying the dishwasher (somehow, I hate this job myself, and always delegated it, previous AP did not mind as she never cooked, but ate and felt she could do this)
  • Take out bin when full.

She did almost all this at the beginning and told me she was a good cook and offered to cook a few meals for us - which we told her were excellent. Though I cook most of the time, as I appreciated this to be an extra for her - though I did mention cooking in advert and JD. She no longer cooks. Always puts chips and nuggets in the oven cause the kids are refusing to eat veggies, even though I told her to put cheese, ketchup etc. in it just to get it down them. The other day I asked her to boil rice and make a pork for me as I had to urgently go to hospital with pregnancy issues ( and hit and run, another long story - it's not my month), and would not be able to cook. It was 16h00, but she said she did not want to burn the food as she has to look after DC at the same time and may burn the food - this was for her to cook for DC as well. Then yesterday she said she does not like cooking since she moved out of her parents house. WTF? She was cooking fine for the last 3 months, as she would give DC a task and cook while looking at them from the kitchen. I also have always been able to do the same. But I decided not to push this, as I would rather she looks after DC first.

For the past month she :

  • Goes to the gym in the morning and comes back around 8h05. I had told her DS1 has to be up by 8 in order to prepare for school. Nowadays both kids get up at 7h00. So by the time she comes back from gym, the kids are dressed and eaten. She then leisurely takes a shower and takes DS1 to school. According to the JD, the job hours start at 7h30, even though DC were waking up later, but I said she may empty dishwasher at this time and make them breakfast, so it's ready when they do wake up. If she is fast, she could shower at this time and have breakfast her self. Our previous AP did that, or showered at night. She insists on gym in mornings rather than evening cause she says it gives her energy.
  • Does not empty the dishwasher. But she has all the time between the 8h05 and 8h45 when DS goes to school. She then takes DS2 to babygroup/park/play directly, even though they start at 10h00/10h30 mostly, and have no real entrance time. To me she is avoiding the dishes so I have to take them out. She is not forgetting, cause she will put dishes in the sink when dw is full, even though I told her I hate a sink full of dishes like a student digs.
  • She does not take out the children laundry and fold it. I have been helping her with this since the beginning, but now she leaves it completely.
  • Does not make the childrens bed and take down blackout blinds. I have always helped with this too, but made it clear it's because she is getting used to kids routine.
  • Does not tidy up after kids. Puzzles are all over the house as we speak. Also does not wipe after kids eat, so their table is always grotty. Also I clean up after bath, always have and did not mind.

While I was happy to help here and there, her heart is just not in it at the moment. I find her also very forgetful and does not listen to my instructions. Told her to always take her phone, oystercard and some cash with everytime she goes out as I may need to contact her, she may need to hurry home and take a bus (we buy her monthly buspass), or need to enter somewhere needing cash - which she takes from the kitty money. She always forgets these things -even though one of the presents for xmas was a handy small wallet to fit all this. A few days even forgetting the keys and had to get security to open. She then leaves lots of glasses and dishes all over the house, as she could not be arsed about taking away after drinking or eating. Other day DS2 unrolled toilet roll on the floor of bathroom, she could not even pick it up and put it next to the sink where there is lots of space.
At interview I said I was anal about keeping clean - am not really, just tidy, and she assured me she was too. A month in, her room looks like a bomb went off. I asked if she is happy here and with the work and also at home things are ok. She said all is well, and just blamed sloppiness on a cold/headache/ sickness etc. Now the cold season is over, I see no improvement. I wonder if someone advised her to just look after DC, not housework too.
I have already silently fumed and decided that if all she wants is to look after DC, I have to agree. But am upset, cause that was not the job I advertised - I said housekeeping too (which is not too much by my standards, as AP did all this, -but had 1 child to look after) and that is what I am paying for. Also quite annoying as am tired beyond belief with pregnancy, school search etc. at this stage.

Am having a 121 with her on Monday and I expect she will say the work is too much. She is generally a nice girl and gets along famously with DC, so don't really want to let her go. When AP left, friends recommended two girls, to temp with us while we were looking, who each stayed with us for 6 and 3 months respectively, before moving on (they were not real nannies). So don't really want to parade lots of nannies for the DCs.

Am SAHM for now, doing freelance now and again - less now with pregnancy, and always let the AP/ Nanny do as she pleases like an adult and not look over shoulder. Friend warned me that naturally if I am at home, the nanny will just decide to cut off some work for me to do, as it may look like I'm just on the computer all day. My sore back is preventing me from leaving the house all the time to some cafe, also they are not here most of the time anyway, so I get to get on with research then.

If I agree with job descrp. cut, can I then postpone DS2 entry to nursery which was supposed to be next term. I will look after DS3 for the first 8 months or so as he will be too small. I still will want a nanny to help with the other two , what with sleepless nights and all. Was hoping this one was a keeper, so I could look at changing careers, doing courses, but don't think that will happen.

Which battles to fight? and what should I let go?

OP posts:
Clytaemnestra · 01/03/2012 13:32

I think that a formal warning might be the way to go, but bear in mind you're going to find it a lot harder to terminate her contract once you're dealing with a newborn as well.

I also think you need to pull her up on actually doing things a bit more, don't empty the dishwasher, ask her to do it, things like that. Otherwise she's getting the message that you'll do it, which might be blurring the lines of who's actually responsible.

Scholes34 · 01/03/2012 13:32

Is this an au pair or a full-time nanny/housekeeper?

ViolaCrayola · 01/03/2012 13:32

Not that SAHMs can't have help of course...

valiumredhead · 01/03/2012 13:33

Were you working outside the home when the nanny was coping ok OP? Just wondering if she is finding it hard with you being at home?

YonWhaleFish · 01/03/2012 13:34

Not that SAHMs can't have help of course... According to Hex they can't. They are failures if they can't wrangle their brood single handedly Hmm

woopsidaisy · 01/03/2012 13:35

Mposh, I had a nanny and I was a stay at home mum! Best decision I ever made!
I agree with the others, you need to chat and if no improvement maybe get someone else?

bettybat · 01/03/2012 13:36

I'm not judging but you say in your post that "Am SAHM for now, doing freelance now and again - less now with pregnancy"

So it's not clear that you do work FT. Not that it matters too much either way, but it's not massively clear either that you do work a lot, if you do in fact. So if you do, great, if you don't, whatever. But in Hex's defence, it did sound like you're a SAHM with a nanny. Whether anyone has the right to question that or not is an entirely different matter but you know, just sayin' :)

HexagonalQueenOfTheSummer · 01/03/2012 13:38

I think anyone on here has the right to question anything that anyone else posts tbh. It's a public forum.

YonWhaleFish · 01/03/2012 13:39

But in Hex's defence, it did sound like you're a SAHM with a nanny. Whether anyone has the right to question that or not is an entirely different matter but you know, just sayin'

Why? How is this defending Hex? Confused

HexagonalQueenOfTheSummer · 01/03/2012 13:39

YonWhale I didn't say that a SAHM can't have help in the home. I did ask the OP why she feels the need for a nanny when she's a SAHM. I think it's a valid question. The OP has made it clear she is unwilling to even empty her own dishwasher, let alone look after her 3 children.

YonWhaleFish · 01/03/2012 13:40

I think anyone on here has the right to question anything that anyone else posts tbh. It's a public forum.

Of course they can. But you're just declaring it wrong which is a bit different to 'questioning'!

HexagonalQueenOfTheSummer · 01/03/2012 13:42

I haven't declared it wrong at all. You are reading things into my posts. I said that I didn't see why the OP had the need for a nanny, which I don't.

SarahBumBarer · 01/03/2012 13:42

It is irrelevant whether OP "needs" a nanny though. She has one, she pays for one and is entitled to expect that the services that are pays for are performed.

Time for an appraisal/review I would say OP. A proper sit down with the job description - which bits re gong well which bits not so well. Also agree with Theo re her own room though but I understand how th situation has escalated to a point where it is just causing you across the board frustration.

bettybat · 01/03/2012 13:42

It seemed like OP got defensive when Hex was questioning why she needed a nanny if she was a SAHM.

OP responded she does in fact work.

That's clearly not the impression OP gave in her post when she said she works freelance. So Hex wasn't wrong when questioning if why she needs a nanny if she's a SAHM, on the account of her not working, is she?

Woah. I haven't even given my opinion on any of this and it's getting very heated! I was just saying - OP misrepresented herself if she does work, so to then get uppity about the fact that she does work is a bit out of order.

Jeez.

YonWhaleFish · 01/03/2012 13:42

I can't see how you need a nanny when you are a SAHM, personally.

This isn't a question, it's a statement.

To be fair, nowhere have you said she can't have help in those words, sorry.

SarahBumBarer · 01/03/2012 13:42

paid for

theodorakis · 01/03/2012 13:43

My lady from the Phillipines and has very different ideas about food, however, the dcs seem to enjoy the dried fish and sweet macaroni and if they are happy I don't think it is worth getting too precious about it. I asked her what she thought about this, she is right here next to me and she said that if the OP doesn't feel 100% happy then she should find somebody else, full stop. She also agreed about the room but maintains that dried fish is very tasty compared to the boring pasta we prefer.

gordyslovesheep · 01/03/2012 13:44

3 kids, manage on my own, SINGLE PARENT and I work - do I win ?

seriously - the op was asking a simple question - what does it matter why she has a nanny - she does and I would say she needs to be reminded of her hours and JD

YonWhaleFish · 01/03/2012 13:44

I can't see how you need a nanny when you are a SAHM, personally.

I haven't declared it wrong at all. You are reading things into my posts

Er, I don't think I've made a mistake here, given theses quotes from you.

Finallyfinally · 01/03/2012 13:44

I wouldn't terminate the contract immediately but of course YANBU. Ignore the nanny guilt trip brigade. I'm as jealous as they are, obviously, but Richard Branson and Xenia both have islands, it's all relative.

Let her know in advance you'll be talking over her job description and then sit down with it. Point out her start time isn't being adhered to, you do expect cooking, especially in extremis - what the hell is that? And you expect more than chips and nuggets. And to clean up after herself. Ask her to talk through her day and agree with her what's reasonable. And then back it up with a letter to her, with another review in eight weeks time.

StealthToddler · 01/03/2012 13:44

OP - supportive vibes from me....
I have 3 DC under 4.5 and am I work full time.
I completely depend on my nanny and she looks after 3DS age 4.5, 2.11 and 11months. It is hard work as it is for anyone, be it mummy or nanny, to look after 3 children that age. We have a cleaner who does ironing a few hours a week, just as if it was me looking after the kids I would probably have a cleaner for a few hours.

With children that age she does cook proper food for them every day, and often will just make a really big batch and freeze some for other days - lots of bolognaise sauce, shepherds pie, stews, fish pie etc. They do have chips and sausages/fishfingers when we need something that can just be bunged in the oven, but it is mostly fresh cooked. There are often other children over for a playdate so she often caters for extra children too. Sounds to me like your nanny is being a bit lazy not cooking properly! If she makes too much DH and I may eat leftovers in teh evening as once we get home from work and have done bath and bedtime it is 7.30-8pm before I can start cooking.

I also kept my nanny on whilst I was on mat leave with DS2 and DS3, returning to work when each was 9 months old. I did depend on her to enable me to give more one on one time to each child. I was fortunate to be able to keep her on and let the children benefit from it. It did not mean I was lazy and not spending time with my children - on the contrary it meant I could spend more time doing the fun, nice things, and not the mundane. So if you feel you want a nanny whilst you are at home, that is your choice, and it is a great choice if you want to and can afford it!

It sounds like your nanny is taking the mickey - she should be working her contracted hours, unless she discusses it with you, and she should be cooking the type of food you want. If she says she can't cook with a 2 yr old round her feet, how the heck is she going to manage when there is a baby in the picture too!

YonWhaleFish · 01/03/2012 13:45

betty

She hasn't questioned it, she's declared she can't see a need for a nanny if you are a SAHM. Different things.

HexagonalQueenOfTheSummer · 01/03/2012 13:46

I have posted many a thread on here on which someone has hopped on and questioned me over something that wasn't what I originally asked about. I remember posting once about my DH getting drunk and someone started asking who drove us home from the party we were at, insinuating my DH had been drinking and driving. That's par for the course on here, surely everyone knows that and accepts that?

OP posted a long post. A long snapshot of a part of her life. To then expect people to comment on just the bit she wants is rather short-sighted. It's inevitable that some, on this thread in particular me, are going to pick up on other things. It isn't a big deal.

HexagonalQueenOfTheSummer · 01/03/2012 13:48

YonWhaleFish, oh do stop getting your knickers in a twist! In MHO I cannot see why the OP, from her post, stating she is a SAHM, needs a nanny. That's my opinion. Nowhere did I say "You're not allowed a nanny" or "You are wrong for having a nanny". I'm not prepared to argue over this as I feel you are making a mountain out of a molehill. Accept that other people have different opinions to you and move on :)

YonWhaleFish · 01/03/2012 13:49

Hex you didn't ask, you stated I can't see how you need a nanny when you are a SAHM, personally.

It's not a question. If you'd have said "I am unsure as to how you need a nanny, being a SAHM, could you tell me?" it would be interpreted differently.

Especially given your follow up comment!