to think that the animal that murdered Nikitta and her unborn child should swing

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I am normally a peaceful soul, hate war, anti death penalty. But in this instance, the horror that killed that beautiful girl and her unborn baby should swing for his crime. Why should he get to enjoy life, at our expense? He will probably get an xBox and counselling. Makes me effing mad!

"The only argument I can see for it is that the taking of a life can't be undone; but neither can the taking of someone's liberty."

People can be compensated with money for being wrongfully imprisoned. You are right that it does not give back the years the person has lost or compensate them for lost opportunities like a family or a career.

Compensation in the form of money is a bit useless when you are six foot under.
Being executed is final.

Such cases always make me believe in vigilante killings. If anyone hurt my relatives like that i would want to rip them apart with my bare hands. I think in some cases vigilante killings are justified.

I think almost everybody would want the death penalty if their children were murdered, GoingForGoalWeight- but that's the reason society doesn't allow victims to decide the punishment for the crime.

I am sure that Colin Stagg is eternally grateful that we do not have the death penalty (Rachel Nickell murder).

As should we all because if he had of been put to death then a murderer would have remained free and possibly gone on to kill again.

As do all of the mothers wrongly convicted of murder after their babies died from cot death.

Not all murders obtain a guilty verdict, most are convicted of manslaughter, so the "worst" murder cases wouldn't result in the death sentence, necessarily.

Most child killers only receive a manslaughter conviction, if that.

GFGW, you don't know what posters on here have experienced, and you also don't know that people who have had a loved one killed do want the death penalty or that they want other people using their loved ones as examples of why it should be reintroduced. People have different reactions when they experience these tragedies.

Some people who are in favour of the death penalty may find that they change their minds based on personal experience.

In the case of Colin Stagg and others like him, thank goodness we do not have the death penalty. I still feel so bad for him. :(

I knew Nikitta. She was such a lovely girl who was so excited to have her baby. That animal deserves all he gets and more. I hope he never gets parole.

Laurie studies show the death penalty does not always have an extra deterrent value, compared to life in prison. That's not the same as saying it has no deterrent value at all.

alessthandomesticgodess you have my deepest sympathies x

What he did is beyond the realms of comprehension for me.
What an evil, sadistic waste of space.
Yes he will be in prison but he will carve life out for himself again, maybe even laugh and form friendships. That isn't right somehow.
I would put him in a small box of a cell and keep him very much alive with no contact with anyone again. No priviledges.

That won't be the case though will it.

alessthandomesticgodess - I am sorry if my post offended you. It was not my intent, not was it my intent to sensationalise or hurt anyone.

I reacted emotionally as I found it so tragic and was reminded again of its horror on the news today.

I do not and never will agree with the death penalty regardless of the crime a person is convicted of.

GFGW - xposted

It is perfectly possible to say that you would cheerfully kill the person you watched kill your child and still not want the state to do it.

Not, for one second do i think any of us of sane mind would be positive towards our loved ones murderer but i agree with Clothes who knows how we'd react/what we'd really want from the state if we were in this terrible position.

35 years for this horror of a human being should not be living in comfort. I have never been to a prison and know not a lot about it but i hope my faith in the system as to the murderer receiving little in the way of a comfortable existance will be his reality.

And he does not get chance to kill himself

I'm not sure that it is about wanting the killer to be treated positively or negatively, but more that if it happens to somebody you love, it may be impossible to comprehend the killer as a person at all. So beyond seeing them brought to justice and no longer roaming the streets, it can be hard to even comprehend their punishment, because to imagine their experience of punishment, you have to be able to comprehend them as human with some semblance of humanity. If you can't think of them as having humanity you can't imagine them responding to their own suffering. So beyond them not being around anyone else, it is hard to really care what happens to them, either positively or negatively.

Sorry if that is a bit rambling.

I never understand the point of these threads. We don't have the death penalty in this country. If it is ever re-introduced it won't be in our lifetime.

Convicted criminals are not sent to prison for 'punishment'. That is common misconception. The two reasons why they are in prison are
1 to protect the general public
2 to provide rehabilitation

All this talk about what is the biggest punishment for convicted murderers ie life imprisonment or death penalty is a mute point. The UK done away with hanging decades ago for good reasons. We, as a nation, are more civilised than that and shouldn't be fantasizing about bringing it back.

Some people who have been the victims of crime are incredibly brave, thoughtful and noble. I know someone who was abused for years and still believes that abusers should be treated well and not killed or treated badly in prison. Her only focus is child safety.

I think I would be insane with rage if anything happened to my DD but I hope I could still not want to sanction the death penalty.

If there is irrefutable proof, that you evilly and sadistically went out of your way to take someone's life, like the evil bastard who killed the mother and the toddler recently and put the gun in the older daughters mouth before she escaped, then they should swing. Or even better, take a lesson from history. Stick the sick fuckers in an oubliette and forget about them.
I agree. Prison is too good for them.

If someone hurt one of my loved ones, I'd kill them myself.

Oh for god's sake, of course criminals are sent to prison for the purposes of punishment (or retribution, if you like). What's changed through history is that punishment is no longer the only consideration when dealing with criminals -- they are not simply flogged or jailed to pay their debt to society. We now do think in terms of rehabilitation. But the concept of punishment has not disappeared.

There is nothing normatively wrong with this. Every society throughout history has had some kind of justice mechanism and various ways to punish those who violate social and legal codes.

you have to ask yourself how different would you be to the person in question if you wated him to die and it would make you feel happy.

i do not know the story but crappy justifications of why someone should die is probably what lead to him killing in the first place.