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Original poster

to think that the animal that murdered Nikitta and her unborn child should swing

112 replies

flibbertywidget · 22/02/2012 20:50

I am normally a peaceful soul, hate war, anti death penalty. But in this instance, the horror that killed that beautiful girl and her unborn baby should swing for his crime. Why should he get to enjoy life, at our expense? He will probably get an xBox and counselling. Makes me effing mad!

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Perriwinkle · 22/02/2012 21:19

Oh please, save us from the "only God can judge" nonsense. Not everyone believes in God for a start.

motherinferior · 22/02/2012 21:21

Yes, a number of people are in prison for life and will never be released.

dreamingbohemian · 22/02/2012 21:22

Oh the irony of reading 'only god can judge' in freaking AIBU...

blackoutthesun · 22/02/2012 21:22

i say let him swing

wannaBe · 22/02/2012 21:22

two wrongs don't make a right. It is either wrong to kill someone or it isn't .

Yes prison is about punishment but it is also about rehabilitation. Because we as a society should strive to believe that people are not pure evil and that those that commit the most horrendous crimes should on some level be able to be rehabilitated, even if that is only to the extent they feel remorse for what they have done.

And I take issue with the way you have used this poor young woman's first name only which essentially makes this tragedy closer and more personal to anyone than it really is. "nikitta"? Nikitta who? She is not personal to any of us, and frankly I think it's a bit off to refer to someone like that in a way that implies you knew them and people should all recognize who you're talking about when that's not the case.

dreamingbohemian · 22/02/2012 21:23

Ah thanks mother

Why on earth wouldn't this guy get life? I honestly can't imagine a worse crime.

ColdTruth · 22/02/2012 21:23

YABU

I do not believe in the death penalty and anyway life is far harsher than death, death is a release.

musttidyupmusttidyup · 22/02/2012 21:28

two wrongs don't make a right. It is either wrong to kill someone or it isn't
Killing a pregnant teenager = wrong
Killing a murdering rapist = not so wrong
Not the same.

wannaBe · 22/02/2012 21:28

dreaming there are prisoners who will never be released from prison due to the nature of their crimes, however the law as it stands here in the UK is that a criminal is given a life sentence with a minimum tariff at which point he/she may be eligible for parole. At this point he/she will be assessed but on the whole there are many prisoners who are so high profile that they will never be released.

Even Peter sutcliffe has iirc become eligible for parole and in preparation was to apply to be released from Broadmoor (high security mental hospital) to a state prison in preparation but his request has been denied.

BeyondTheLimitsOfAcceptability · 22/02/2012 21:30

I see what wannabe means in the last paragraph, I assumed you knew her as your AIBU sounds like the FB posts of my friends that did...?

musttidyupmusttidyup · 22/02/2012 21:31

Sorry wannabe but
And I take issue with the way you have used this poor young woman's first name only
Petty in the grand scheme of things don't you think?

dreamingbohemian · 22/02/2012 21:31

Ah I see, that's not so different from the US then. Except that you can actually get a sentence of life with no possibility of parole, but that's usually for the very worst cases.

tethersend · 22/02/2012 21:32

musttidyup, both situations you describe involve deliberately taking the life of a human being. In that sense, they are the same.

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flibbertywidget · 22/02/2012 21:33

wannabe - FFS, why do you take issue? I have sat down for the first time today to listen to the news, I didn't hear her last name, otherwise I would've used it. I don't know her and never implied I did. People will recognise the poor girl's name as sadly her tragic story is news today. How does using her first name make the tragedy closer and more personal to anyone than it really is?

I defy anyone not to have been personally saddened by what happened to her.

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musttidyupmusttidyup · 22/02/2012 21:34

True. But not morally the same so in my head not the same.

wannaBe · 22/02/2012 21:37

musttidyupmusttidyup no, it is still wrong. It is perceived as less wrong ecause we as humans judge individuals based on their actions. But while we as humans may consider a murderer less worthy of life, it doesn't justify the taking of that life in the name of revenge.

Original poster
flibbertywidget · 22/02/2012 21:37

Let me be clear -- I did not know her, apologies if I offended anyone. I posted before I had heard her surname...

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FreudianSlipper · 22/02/2012 21:40

i do not agree with the death penalty at all, not under any circumstances

but i do not feel he should ever be a free man again

dreamingbohemian · 22/02/2012 21:40

But by the 'two wrongs' logic, the state would never be able to punish anyone at all.

Man locks up a woman for 25 years
State locks up a man for 25 years

At the simplest level, they are the same. But we would never say the state shouldn't be allowed to imprison people for their crimes.

So you have to make the case that killing someone is even worse than locking them up. Except that people usually say the opposite, which is that locking someone up for life is harsher than killing them.

Like I said, I'm not really pro death penalty, but I would not be too bothered about it being used in the very worst cases.

BeyondTheLimitsOfAcceptability · 22/02/2012 21:42

I don't think its offensive, I just assumed from the way it was written that you did know her. Not a problem IMO, will teach me to assume things Grin

musttidyupmusttidyup · 22/02/2012 21:43

OP my last comment was to tethersend not you.
I hear you wannaBe but I don't agree with you. I'm not sure how I feel about the death penalty (apologies for fence sitting) but I am absolutely sure how I feel about the worth of human life and all is NOT equal IMO.

wannaBe · 22/02/2012 21:43

I take issue with it because it is up there with people wanting to make someone else's tragedy their own.

There are people out there who genuinely knew this woman and who are grieving her loss. And there are the rest who knew her name only from the news. And yet there are people bandying her name about with a familliarity that should be reserved for those who were genuinely close to her.

For me it's up there with people that grieve for dead celebrities they've never met as if they were somehow close to them.

Codandchops · 22/02/2012 21:45

Killing is just wrong no matter who does it and nobody has the right to take a human life - not the guilty person or the state. There have been too many miscarriages of justice. I would actively demonstrate in opposition against the death penalty - it solves nothing.

YABU but you are NOT BU to have the emotional response you have done.

And Nikitta who? Don't know the case even.

tethersend · 22/02/2012 21:47

"I am absolutely sure how I feel about the worth of human life and all is NOT equal IMO."

musttidy, I think that most people would agree with you, particularly if the perpetrator of a crime has affected us directly. But this is precisely why we need an impartial legal system, to bypass our natural human instinct for revenge and make us a civilised society.

wannaBe · 22/02/2012 21:47

dreaming I think though that the answer to the two wrongs argument is that although technically two wrongs don't make a right, by locking someone up for 25 years you (as a society) hope to rehabilitate them and make them take responsibility for what they have done.

If a man locks up a woman and tortures her we don't punish him by locking him up and torturing him in return - we lok him up and seek to find A, the reasons behind why he did what he did, not just for rehabilitation but so we can understand better how the human mind works and hope to prevent similar crimes in future, and B, hope to make him face some consequences for his crime but at the same time make him face up to what he has done. so it's not an eye for an eye punishment as the death penalty would be, iyswim.