to think that the animal that murdered Nikitta and her unborn child should swing

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I am normally a peaceful soul, hate war, anti death penalty. But in this instance, the horror that killed that beautiful girl and her unborn baby should swing for his crime. Why should he get to enjoy life, at our expense? He will probably get an xBox and counselling. Makes me effing mad!

Her surname was Grenda, murderer was Carl Whant.
I didnt even realise it had made national news. I'll see if I can find a link to something now...

I take issue with it because it is up there with people wanting to make someone else's tragedy their own. For me it's up there with people that grieve for dead celebrities they've never met as if they were somehow close to them.

I agree completely, but didn't read it as OPs intention.

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But this is precisely why we need an impartial legal system, to bypass our natural human instinct for revenge and make us a civilised society.
Yes. You are absolutely right.

From the very little I know about being in prison I imagine that once his fellow inmates realise he's in for killing a mother and her baby he will be in for 35 years of hell.

i agree. this women was Nikitta to her famiy and friends to us she is a victim of a terrible crime that will not have an impact on our lives. yes we feel sad about this case but the pain of her loss if not for us to feel

I don't agree with the death penalty for any crime, even horrendous ones like this. I also hate wicked men like this being called 'animals'. Animals do not behave in this way.

Some people might use the 'why should the public purse pay for these criminals to languish in prison?' argument but in the US for example, the death penalty is far more expensive than life without parole.

Don't use the term 'animal', he is a human, supposedly the most intelligent things that walk on this earth. Not many animals behave in such an appalling way

If you take the life of a killer you validate his crime by using the same method of punishment he/she used and that is somehow giving itmstatus as a viable way to treat someone who has displeased or angered you in some way

If he's going into prison,make sure he's in the general populace,I say.

wanneBe that's a very interesting point.

The thing is, while perhaps the ideal of prison is rehabilitation, there is very little being done in practice to that end, at least in the kind of prisons that people like this end up in.

And rehab is not the only purpose of prison. It's also intended to serve as a deterrent, and as a way to keep the public safe -- and, yes, as a punishment. All of those functions are served by the death penalty as well.

I do see what you're saying though, just not totally convinced.

yabu
imo he should be locked up until he dies no parole.
he is not deserving of rehabilitation.
you take a life you should serve life, end off(sorry not sure one f or 2?)

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YANBU,by the way.

I think the crime is hideous, but I do not want him to have the death penalty.

There have been so many injuctices in the past and the death penalty is irreversible.

I doult that the death penalty saves money. If you look at the US huge amounts of money are spent on appeals and keeping the person in jail until the date of execution. Some death row inmates in jail for 15 years.

I also think it would make junors less willing to convict if they knew they were sending a person to the gallows on very strong evidence. It is very hard to kill someone you have actually met and know to be human even if they are vile.

The death penalty harms US as society - not THEM, in moments they're dead.

We don't kill people as a state as we're too stupid to always get it right - The Birmingham Six would have hanged.

It harms our humanity.

YANBU, in this case. Justice is revenge tempered with mercy, but some crimes are so horrific that the criminal doesn't deserve the mercy part. Perhaps the world would be a better place if these people were just put down while they were asleep with no fuss so that they don't know a thing about it.

I suspect when word spreads he will wish he had hung. My dh knows a prison warden (now retired) and he told a few stories from inside, a hot iron can cause a lot pain!

And It does not in any way act as a deterrent - only a numpty would think that.

It's a waste of money keeping that piece of filth alive.

We used to hang people, sometimes for comparatively trivial reasons, and many people would go and watch, presumably not because they cared deeply about the crime but because they enjoy seeing somebody killed. There are also people who become irrationally wrapped up, to an excessive degree, in the terrible crimes in a sensationalist manner, when they don't personally know the victim, and want to focus on the perpetrator for those reasons. I notice for the recent Bradford killings that a book has been written about the perpetrator but none about the victims, and this seems to be what usually happens.

I'm not accusing the OP of these feelings, but other people do these feelings. It cannot be good for the families and friends of victims or society in general to satisfy the violent leanings or sensationalism of some of the public by allowing a death penalty to provide more focus on the perpetrator. Family and friends want to focus on their memories of a loved one, and not have the public wallowing in what the perpetrator has done and will do or have done to him in the future. I would rather we just forget about him; he is not worth our attention.

He will get plenty of attention inside!

I wonder how many here/in society would change their minds about being against the death penalty if their children were murdered?

I can see both sides of the debate...