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To leave MumsNet because it's becoming RadFeministNet?

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SigmundaFraudina · 21/02/2012 17:56

Had enough of their agenda being forced down my throat whether I want it or not. Major recruitment drive going on lately, and serious opression of other posters views. Just gets worse and worse. This was not what I believed MN was supposed to be about.

I'm off.

OP posts:
Nyac · 23/02/2012 10:56

There's also a difference between going after individual posters (for example under another name I had someone telling me that they would feel "guilty" if they didn't challenge my posts continually even after I'd asked them to leave me alone and it's also pretty obvious that individual rad fems are being singled out for MRA attacks either on or off board), and challenging a specific opinion. The latter happened to Sigmund I think and she didn't like it, but that is a pretty common occurrence on Mumsnet, not just in particular on FWR.

Nyac · 23/02/2012 10:58

There were rad fems being stalked on here, who had to get rid of all their information, because they felt unsafe.

TBE · 23/02/2012 11:02

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Beachcomber · 23/02/2012 11:04

The Amsterdam thread was a disgrace. The OP was bullied for holding a feminist point of view. She remained pleasant and jolly polite throughout - respect.

This thread is a disgrace - having a go at whole swathes of posters under the blanket term 'radical feminists', with plenty of people willing to come and cheer on the OP and take pot shots at any passing radical.

I see the ejaculation thread has been cited as another example of the nasty feminists and their oppressing ways. I'm on that thread and the only nastiness I can see is women being called prudes, etc (ie personal attack) whilst they try to explore their political analysis. Things got better later on in the thread though.

I hope all the posters who police MN for bullying by feminists are just as vigilant in condemning bullying of feminists. Same goes for name calling, personal attack, going after the person and not the opinion.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 23/02/2012 11:05

I don't think it's right for people to be intimidated when they speak out about anything at ALL. Free speech, hard fought for and won...

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 23/02/2012 11:06

... although I will qualify that not to include hate speech against anybody else either.

Nyac · 23/02/2012 11:06

Unfortunately Mumsnet don't delete the personal attacks on us quite a lot of the time. I was called a man hater on the Amsterdam thread and it's still standing. In fact someone was outraged that I'd dare to report it. Cbem's attacks are still on this thread too.

I don't really understand why it's the rad fems who get the bad name when the people who go after us are so awful (and bullying).

Nyac · 23/02/2012 11:07

Mind you the fact that Mumsnet hasn't deleted the "you come across as a manhater" which I assume means that they think it isn't a personal attack, leaves the field open for "you come across as an x, y, z". So plenty of ways to tell someone what you think of them.

Beachcomber · 23/02/2012 11:12

Another one here who has had posts copied and pasted onto another forum and had male posters comment on what they thought would sort me out. It is intimidating, even if you say, its only the internet yadda yadda. People do really get stalked and harmed.

I don't think that is really going to happen to me but I know it is done to vocal women and it is used as a threat to get people like me to STFU.

I deleted all posts on MN that gave any clue as to where I live and stopped posting here for a while after all that.

I said at the time that unfortunately, a side effect of all these threads about the nasty feminists and their shrill, bullying, oppressive political analysis, is that it encourages the trolls/stalky types. It gives them camouflage and a platform. On more than one occasion we have had MN regular posters cheering on a troll who came specifically to target feminists.

This thread is just a carbon copy of all the others.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 23/02/2012 11:12

Nyac, that's the instruction from MNHQ though - report it to them and they will decide. If you reported it and they didn't take action and you feel strongly enough, report it again.

I'm very light on the report button and have always had a response from MNHQ either, "post deleted" or "we're leaving it there because ".

TBE · 23/02/2012 11:13

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SardineQueen · 23/02/2012 11:13

Just saw the "manhater" post on here in active convos - someone has just called me that on another (lighthearted chat) thread - is there an invasion going on does anyone know?

TBE · 23/02/2012 11:14

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Nyac · 23/02/2012 11:14

Yes rad fems are getting threatened and stalked by people who actually turn up on Mumsnet but people are still saying we shouldnt name them, shouldn't recognise them, and shouldnt' call them what they are which is anti-feminists.

Are any of the righteous, who've been so great at rallying the cry against certain radical feminists or all of us, going to take up our cause given the attacks we've been under right here on Mumsnet?

Or are we going to stick to "rad fems are bullies", "people just want to be heard"?

Nyac · 23/02/2012 11:15

"I said at the time that unfortunately, a side effect of all these threads about the nasty feminists and their shrill, bullying, oppressive political analysis, is that it encourages the trolls/stalky types."

Exactly.

Hullygully · 23/02/2012 11:15

you what luv?

Nyac · 23/02/2012 11:17

Thanks for the advice Lyingwitch. Very kind. I've reported it about three times and it's been ignored.

So I'm taking that as a sign it's fine for people to say "you come across as a ...." I'll be using it.

SardineQueen · 23/02/2012 11:17

I mean I saw nyac say she had been called a manhater so I clicked as I have just been called that and wondered whether there was an invasion at the mo

Hullygully · 23/02/2012 11:18

No one should do anything bad.

No one should diss feminists (well, obviously they can if they want, but, you know)

No one should be rude to anyone

No one should pile in and make an individual feel bad (fem/non-fem/anti-fem/fluffy fem/ whatever-fem)

easy peasy lemon squeezy

Nyac · 23/02/2012 11:19

God I've been bashed for years on here for my anti-porn stances. Right from when I arrived.

Nobody ever stood up for me and said "she just wants to be heard", and only a handful complained about the bullying.

Hullygully · 23/02/2012 11:19

Everyone should change their name to manhater en masse, that'd throw em.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 23/02/2012 11:19

Beachcomber... I think, for posters who feel threatened and unsafe, it's not a great idea to be on threads like this. It can't engender much comfort and confidence in 'keeping under the radar' of trolls when it's a flame-throwing sort of thread. Why do it? People have the right to post where they want but with that come some personal responsibility. If you choose to stay on a thread where you're being attacked then that is your decision. MN is very lightly moderated, we all know that.

I would have thought that, given that many bunfighty posters don't read or post on the feminine board that that would be a very safe platform for like-minded people to post on. I suppose it depends what peoples' priorities are - post with alacrity on a non-specific topic board and risk getting a 'reputation' and profile - or post where it's comfortable and safe and the risks are lesser. Again, personal choice.

Hullygully · 23/02/2012 11:21

No one should pile in and make an individual feel bad (fem/non-fem/anti-fem/fluffy fem/ whatever-fem)

Unless of course they are saying stuff like rape is cool, burn the nig-nogs etc

Nyac · 23/02/2012 11:21

"If you choose to stay on a thread where you're being attacked then that is your decision."

Not being on a thread where you're being attacked doesn't stop the attacks.

I'd actually taken a break from Mumsnet and people were still bringing up my name and having a go.

Mainly people who were calling rad fems or "certain" rad fems, bullies.

TheBigJessie · 23/02/2012 11:22

I sometimes do feel people are trying to gang up on each other on MN, and dismiss others' right to feel the way they do, with pointless "you only think that because you're not educated enough" posts.

Vaccination threads - both sides

Homebirth threads- both sides, but I sometimes pick up on a tang of "proper women would want a homebirth like me"

Lots of subjects. It's almost as if the problem isn't the subjects themselves, or the views, but the people posting... Imagine that...